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    ieattime20
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    +1

    Just had a conversation about this last night after reading River out of Eden (yes, I am a dirtmunching antiChristmas heartbleeder, get over it). If we regard it as silly to believe in tiny faeries that move particles around with the power of their LOVE, then we should regard it equally as silly to believe in a magic entity that started everything. The inability of science to disprove nonscientific statements is not to the credit of the statement.

    It’s an admission of ridiculousness.

    Ando
    Member

    @ieattime20
    You obviously haven’t opened your heart to Jesus christ. Let him in and you shall be saved. apparently.

    Marrock
    Member

    @Ando: Sounds like some alternate version of pokemon or something.

    ieattime20
    Member

    @Ando
    Hahaha. Man, I really think a lot of evangelical Christians should look up what “begging the question” or “assuming the conclusion” means. Of COURSE if I accept Jesus into my heart I’ll not be an atheist. Eating a shit-ton of food makes me fat. No one’s explaining why I SHOULD be fat by saying that though.

    Fat with JESUS.

    sylvanish
    Member

    Oh wow, so awesome, I love you guys.

    maxcw
    Member

    The second argument is all wrong.

    What he should be saying is “I believe that a baseball exists”

    DublinO
    Member

    What’s with all this religious crap Tiki, if I wanted to expend ANY energy what-so-ever I’d go to church or get on a religious forum… well wait I mean I enjoy the Scientology bashing and Raptor Jesus, and well actually go ahead with it Tiki you know what’s up

    Namelis1
    Member

    @Dublin0: Some people enjoy religion bashing whole heatedly. It makes me feel better about my own stupidity.

    Paul_Is_Drunk
    Member

    +1.5

    Oh, and *golf clap*. Good show.

    Paul_Is_Drunk
    Member

    @Namelis1: It might also have to do with other people telling us how to live our lives AND/OR creating laws to enforce their archaic views of morality all while claiming justification because someone a long time ago heard voices in their head.

    Y’know… that whole thing we (and by “we,” I mean these exact people) hate the Middle East for?

    Elepski
    Member

    win

    Mack
    Member

    + 2 internets for spreading logic and reason tiki

    ieattime20
    Member

    @Namelis1: You’re right! You may be dumb, but at least you’re not “religion-stupid”.

    Louis E.
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    Louis E.

    Thank God I’m an atheist!

    DublinO
    Member

    @Louis E.: I almost shit and split my sides LOL awesome
    @Namelis1: I was just saying I didn’t see why everyone exhausts so much fucking energy in the words of the Beatles Let it be… there will be an answer let it be. I mean does it surprise you that people follow a religion, and granite yes there are witnessers but that’s the beauty of freedom of speech, I just get tired thinking about it… like beating up an autistic midget what’s the point

    greytone
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    greytone

    Just about everyone does this about something, religious or not.

    riverdaledragon
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    riverdaledragon

    No comment.. I dont want another Atheist threat to get 300+ post. lol

    greytone
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    greytone

    @riverdaledragon: Atheist threat? Good name for a punk band. Could open for Agnostic Front.

    MacheteJak
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    @greytone: I agree.

    riverdaledragon
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    riverdaledragon

    @greytone: lol

    riverdaledragon
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    riverdaledragon

    @Dublin0: Its called FAITH. not everyone has the balls for it.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    @riverdaledragon: Apparently you have a different definition of ‘no comment’ than one would expect. It’s called REALITY, not everyone has the balls for it.

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    I am sick of these threads. Just because i can’t prove god doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. And just because you can’t disprove him doesn’t mean he is real. End of story everyone shut the fuck up.

    Awesome1
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    Bulletproof. That’s how everyone who ever believed in God acts. Coincidentally all religions technically fall under Christianity too.

    greytone
    Member
    greytone

    @riverdaledragon: I know I don’t. Maybe they just haven’t dropped yet. Please pray for my balls.

    awfulintentions
    Member

    Personally, I love these threads. Why? Because our religious tards throw a shit fit every time and lose every time. It’s really quite funny.

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    Um no we don’t. It’s more like the atheist fags engage in mental masturbation and high five eachother. Meanwhile the reasonable and rational and educated of us so called “religious tards” try explaining to you and the way we see it. And then you just resort to generalizations completely ignoring any logical presentation given to you. And quite frankly your heads explode when you try to comprehend the “possibility” ( not the proven fact just the suggestion of a possibility) of a divine or supernatural reason to why Science and the universe exist. Meanwhile you offer Absolutely no evidence to… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    ^^^
    Exhibit A: shit fit.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    @thelotuseater725: Ok, now that I got the snarkiness out of the way. The reason that we “can’t man up and say ‘hey maybe i am wrong'” is because ‘maybe’ doesn’t matter. If you could prove beyond a doubt that there is a god, that would totally be a game-changer. All of the sudden it would be imperative to try to understand the nature and intentions of such a god. OTOH, if I’m confident that there is no god, then I can spend my life as I see fit and not worry about what some old guy in sky thinks about… Read more »

    greytone
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    greytone

    @awfulintentions: I don’t know. I’ve been seeing some poor arguments from the atheists and agnostics. You can’t shout someone down and declare yourself the winner. It’s kind of embarrassing from either side.

    Not that we should expect to see well structured debate on an image blog comment section, so whatever. I try to keep it lighthearted.

    greytone
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    greytone

    @reboot: Dealing in absolutes is a characteristic of fundamentalism.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    @greytone: Trite cliches are a characteristic of intellectual laziness. If you disagree with me, explain why instead of attacking the strawman of fundamentalism.

    awfulintentions
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    Well, what’s great about the religous people, like yourself, Lotuseater, is because you guys are, without a doubt right, in your opinion, and are always trying to force your crap down people’s throats who believe other wise. When us Atheists go and post something that’s against your sensitive Christian Upbringing, it’s omg, persecution. Even if it’s just for funzies, but your kind can around slamming us, when we actually use science and deductive thinking and all these wonderful things that evolution and natural selection gave us. ( Oh please, oh please, ask the monkey question, I dare you. ) How… Read more »

    ieattime20
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    @thelotuseater725: Hey, did you read my first thread? How there is no reason to ever lend credit to any explanation that is not scientifically verifiable at base? Faeries pushing particles around with LOVE? Why is one silly and the other “World Religion”? History, not facts, not creedence, not arguments. The same reason racism persists after being shown time and again to be nothing but a damaging influence. History is the ONLY thing defining religion from paranoia, schizophrenia, and mania. There is nothing rational about believing an explanation that can never be proven. Even String Theorists admit it’s hope as much… Read more »

    greytone
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    greytone

    @reboot: My apologies. What I was trying to point out is that it’s not so much a matter of proving beyond a doubt but to the point were one feels it is more reasonable to believe. That point varies from person to person based on their criteria for evidence. I find it more productive to discuss what that criteria should be according to logic and reason rather than bickering back and forth about god v no god. Your stated criteria seems to be absolute certainty which strikes me as a bit extreme. Scientific method calls for a working falsifiable model… Read more »

    greytone
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    greytone

    @awfulintentions: I don’t see the justification in telling someone else what they believe and how they behave.

    greytone
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    greytone

    @awfulintentions: Way to prove Lotuseater wrong about atheist resorting to generalizations.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    @greytone: Some questions have room for ‘grey areas’. Is it right to kill a human being? Most people would say that there are sometimes when it is and sometimes when it isn’t. Then the debate continues about which circumstances justify killing. Is there a god? The answer is yes or no. We look at the evidence, consider the arguments and chose one or the other. If you answer the question ‘maybe’ what doesn’t even mean? Like I said, if God does exist, in any sense, that’s a big fucking deal. Believing in an omnipotent, supernatural being should change the way… Read more »

    PrometheusUnbound
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    PrometheusUnbound

    @reboot: Awesome.

    Oh, and “atheist fags” is so loving! What a wonderful rhetorical strategy! It’s sure to win people to religion’s side!

    Awesome1
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    @reboot: the answer may be yes or no, but can we reasonably reach either conclusion at this point? no, we’re limited in our scope of understanding. The pursuit of truth is different than knowing it. and if there is a God, we can’t assume he is motivated the same way we are. he might not care about us at all. He might not even be aware of our intelligence. He might fucking hate us! He might be a non-specific cosmic organization by a committee of lesser “gods”. Anything is possible, but it’s unreasonable to assign probability from where we’re standing.… Read more »

    Twee
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    Twee

    “Coincidentally all religions technically fall under Christianity too.”-Dyna-Mole
    Me reading this Pre-Coffee: “Huh?”

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    @Dyna-Mole: can we reasonably reach either conclusion at this point? Yes. Unless you believe that Russel’s teapot might be floating in orbit between Earth and Mars, then given a lack of evidence in favor of god, we can conclude that there is no god.
    I do respect that you’re open-minded about what the nature of god might be like. I think one thing that we CAN conclude is that if god does exist, its not benevolent. That given the nature the universe there are 3 equally valid conclusions:
    1) God doesn’t exist
    2) God doesn’t care about us
    3) God is insane
    Atheism is optimistic.

    ieattime20
    Member

    @reboot: Atheism is optimistic. I lol’d. I also cried with pride. Too bad there’s not leetspeak for that.

    dieAntagonista
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    I see now what lotus means when he said mental masturbation. “Rational this, rational that. Unlikely this except for my hat.(because I can see it, unlike your god, duh). “I did not discover relativity by rational thinking alone.” @reboot: Atheism is optimistic. Right. Once again, atheism has no agenda and is so to say useless. If you think the Christian god, or any other god, is as unlikely as a pink fairy in your garden, then how can you assume your disbelief in that very god means any thing? You can’t tell me that the disbelief in pink fairies means… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    “I don’t believe in Santa Claus. But that disbelief doesn’t have any thing to do with how I live my life.” Sure, it does! Just think of all the insanity if you really believed in Santa Claus. It means that you don’t have to worry about peeping-tom elves checking on whether you are naughty or nice. It means that you don’t blame yourself when presents don’t magically appear each year. It means that you can live in a house without a chimney. It means that you can go ahead and eat the milk and cookies after the kids have gone… Read more »

    nyoki
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    @dieAntagonista: How old were you when you stopped trying to stay awake and get a peek at Santa Clause? When did you stop writing your list to Santa and started writing it to your parents instead? That atheists still celebrate xmas and giving knowing there is no god and no santa seems, to me, very positive indeed.

    elzarcothepale
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    hey, fuckers- take it to the moldy bible post.

    dieAntagonista
    Member

    If you’re not afraid that a sky daddy keeps track of how you behaved, so you do good things only because you believe that it’s the right thing to do – common sense, and the belief in love caused you to do that. Not the fact that you know there’s no sky daddy.If there were no people who lived their life according to a sky daddy, wouldn’t you still continue to live your life, like *you* think is right? @reboot: Yes that’s true, but you did exactly what I said. Atheism only appears to have advantages after you compare it… Read more »

    dieAntagonista
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    @elzarcothepale: Have you noticed how long it takes that site to load? I mean c’mon.

    elzarcothepale
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    @dieAntagonista: huh. it didn’t take anytime at all for me, but oh well- we busted the +500 mark, so i am satisfied. any tips on a comment to read if i want to bother chiming in? If not, here are two pennies: There are only two reasons to participate in religious ceremonies. The first is Fear of Consequences, wherein the afterlife will punish non-participation. An example would be Baptism, saving a baby from damnation or purgatory by performing a ceremony that alleviates the burden of something that the baby personally did not do. The second reason is Symbolism- attaching cultural… Read more »

    Belbo
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    I didn’t read all the comments, so somebody might have made this point already. Belief in God is not illogical. Socrates started it. What is God? God is not anything in this universe. This is logical. We hypothesize that there exists something that is not any ‘thing’. This is the only way we can know God, or think about God: to look at a tree and say “That tree is not God”, or to look at ourselves in the mirror and say “That reflection is not God”. We are hypothesizing that something exists which does not exist. How can the… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    “‘rational thought’ makes no sense because it means quite literally that you cannot talk about the sky without mentioning the ground[which really has nothing to do with the sky at all], and that you must divide everything into a ratio, an is and an isn’t.”

    If you’re trying to make an etymology argument, you fail. ‘Rational’ comes from the same root word as reason, reri, which means to reckon or think. The mathematical sense of ratio, or rational numbers, did not come into use until the 17th century.
    The idea that Socrates started the belief in god is laughable.

    ieattime20
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    @dieAntagonista: Oh homeslice. Oooh homeslice. I’ll make this real mathematical for you: A belief in no god confers no advantage. But a belief in ANY god confers disadvantage. Therefore, do not believe in god, it is an improvement. To the quality. Of my life. End of story. @Belbo: Oh and you. Spoken like someone who has absolutely no understanding of logic. First of all, the rational disbelief in god isn’t about logic, it’s about systematic explanatory schema. Theistic versions of SES’s are barely systematic and have extraordinarily limited explanatory power (i.e. the explanation confers no understanding– God’s Will Is Strange).… Read more »

    nyoki
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    @dieAntagonista: I only meant to say that a world w/out religion need not be austere and unfeeling. That atheists participate in a moral world regardless of their lack of belief in god(s). Who would call themselves an atheist in a world that didn’t believe in god? Why would the concept of atheism even exist? Atheists would still celebrate life and have holidays (though it may not be called “holiday”). There would still be joy and sadness, suffering and relief. This is what I thought when reboot said “Atheism is optimistic.” @Belbo: That 3rd paragraph made no sense. What part of… Read more »

    nyoki
    Member

    Whoops, don’t know what happened there.

    One does not need to say what something is by describing every single thing it isn’t. Uniqueness doesn’t require such a ridiculous litany.

    dieAntagonista
    Member

    @elzarcothepale: You forgot another thing- Fear of being discriminated against, by other religious people. Well, I’ve never been baptised, I would go straight to hell anyway. But honestly? Even if I knew there was a god, who punishes people, an afterlife etc – I would refuse to do what he wants me to do. I do what I think is right, and I live my life the way I think is fair. Should I ever start believing in an afterlife, I want somebody to shoot me. I wouldn’t feel worthy of continuing like that. @nyokki: I see. But still, you… Read more »

    garbledxmission
    Member

    Oh all of you please please please for the love of jeebus and baby jeebus and the flying spaghetti monster and nothingness please stop all of you are making my brains hurt. This is pointless and futile there will be no resolution and that hooker will still be dead regardless of whether there is a god or not she’s not coming back to life and I’m still going to have to bury her in the river valley because the N. Sask. river is too shallow in places to be sure that she won’t wash up onshore.

    nyoki
    Member

    @dieAntagonista: I think we’re talking around each other a bit. In general the term atheist has no meaning except as a lack belief in god (theism). If there were no people ever, that believed in god then there would be neither atheists nor theists. It would be meaningless and therefore moot. We had a choice. Somewhere, sometime, someone believed in god. What was the original state of man? Was man born believing and then some other man said “No, I don’t believe”? Did man not consider it until one day another man said “I believe”? Did wars begin over it,… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
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    @reboot: So in other words you can’t accept a possibility of being wrong? I mean what about plausibility? Why is it not plausible that a race of beings or a single unknown being like that which we can not imagine lightyears upon lightyears ahead of us in pure knowledge of science or. I’m asking you to push religion aside and to throw out any preconceived notions on our universe away. Now please understand my argument does have a flaw in it. I am going to assume you believe in parallel universes and the idea that there may be a Metaverse.… Read more »

    dieAntagonista
    Member

    @nyokki:
    Alright I do see your point.
    “it may be to say that theism is because atheism is” – that line is a winner.

    Solid_Squirrel
    Member

    @thelotuseater725:

    Wait what? couldn’t hear you over my high speed fapping while giving out fives to people

    PrometheusUnbound
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    PrometheusUnbound

    @thelotuseater725: The love of Christ on display yet again!

    ieattime20
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    Real science and a belief in a supernatural entity cannot coexist logically in the same head. Science involves looking for explanations to the NATURAL world that are verifiable, and thus falsifiable. The supernatural is, well SUPER-natural. What more is there to say? “Faeries push around the particles, and you can never detect the faeries” is not science. And neither is “God made the universe, and you can never detect God or understand it”. It’s the antithesis of science. It’s explanation that confers no understanding, and cannot be checked. I’ll further say that lots of people think contradictory things. Pro-life people… Read more »

    greytone
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    greytone

    @thelotuseater725: It’s possible that I’m wrong. This goes without saying for me since there’s no point where that possibility doesn’t exist. Plausibility? I’m not sure what you’re asking there. I got kind of lost in the meandering paragraph. Sorry, I just woke up. I’ll just say that “god” is not a very descriptive term. And that while there might be something out there that might fit some description of a god, non belief is justified until there is evidence to suspect this thing’s existence. At least from where I’m sitting. I’m wide open to finding that reason. But every definition… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @ieattime20: And it is clear that you are an unimaginitive prejudiced piece of shit. I never said god is undetectable either, Maybe science is god working? ever thought of that? Or maybe we lack the proper hardware to detect god? There are endless possibilities when you are dealing with something as abstract as god. Lack of evidence does not mean evidence of falshood. AND DON’T YOU EVER FUCKING TELL ME WHERE MY LOYALTIES LIE. MY LOYALTIES LIE TO NO ONE BUT MYSELF. Good luck slaving away in your cubicle screaming at existence from your blog you unimaginative cunt. @greytone: Thank… Read more »

    ieattime20
    Member

    @thelotuseater725: The evidence here is that you’re unreasonable. Thanks for the pantomime of the comic at the top of your screen. If you’d like to construct for yourself a world that exists outside of our evidence and pretensing on hypotheticals like “Maybe we lack the proper hardware” go ahead. I will maintain my grip on reality and deal with what explanations are rational, reasonable, provable, and meaningful to experience. Smoking pot in a dorm room and gasping through chemical smoke and exclaiming, “Man, maybe time isn’t real, man, but our higher dimensional selves just moving in space, man! THAT’S why… Read more »

    greytone
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    greytone

    I see the comic reenacted on either side. For every Christian touting that science doesn’t mean anything and championing that no one can prove them wrong I see just as many atheists hurling attacks at people who don’t care to prove a thing, don’t want to convince anyone of anything but still happen to hold different set of personal beliefs, many of whom aren’t even Christian, let alone the lazy-eyed bible thumping wastes of flesh who deserve the backlash. People on all sides are so threatened be each other that it’s really rare to be able to cut the bullshit… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @ieattime20: Hey maybe i am wrong. Ask anyone on this site who debates with me on this matter. At no point do i ever claim that my observations and beliefs are the ONLY way a person can look at things. And at no point do i belittle others for not seeing it the way i do. You on the other hand. You are the reason i left the atheist movement. People like you who deal in absolutes and scoff at others of differing opinion are why crazy christians think there is some Atheist agenda. You see i live in the… Read more »

    ieattime20
    Member

    I’ll make this real simple and without all the namecalling you accuse me of. (Cunt? Prick? Insecure? What? It’s ME destroying the debate?) If I propose a theory, an explanatory model, that includes spirits that generate emotion by typing on spiritual keyboards attached to the back of our heads, but I explain away the lack of evidence by saying, “We don’t know enough yet,” or “we can’t detect its presence by any means”, I will A. not be able to teach this theory anywhere that has interest in education and B. would be best suited towards being laughed at standing… Read more »

    nyoki
    Member

    @ieattime20: Perhaps you should listen because an intelligent decent person said it. Perhaps you should listen because to not-listen is to not-understand another human being.

    ieattime20
    Member

    @nyokki: In that case, we listen to both. Something you won’t see in real life for a reason. Really smart people have both good and crazy ideas. Godel thought people were trying to kill him, Turing was convinced that machines were better than people and wanted to raise one as a child. Listening to someone is different than believing them. You should allow credence to an idea based on evidence and merit, not on who said it. That’s what ad hominem means. An idea that precludes evidence is not a satisfactory explanation of anything, and is in fact dangerous because… Read more »

    nyoki
    Member

    @ieattime20: When you’re dealing w/ people and personalities, it’s not all about right and wrong, right doesn’t mean much in a relationship. No one is asking you to believe anything. Lotus knows I disagree w/ him on this issue, but I give credence to his thoughts because I’m not interested in the pure debate. Actually, I’m tired and bored w/ pure debate, especially on the internet. Lotus is interesting, I’ve not met many like him, so I listen and I discuss things which interest us both. The chances of either of us changing the other’s mind is near nil, but… Read more »

    nyoki
    Member

    @thelotuseater725: I hope I’m not putting words in your mouth.

    greytone
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    greytone

    @ieattime20: Giving an argument credence based on who said it is an appeal to authority fallacy. Ad hominem is appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument.

    ieattime20
    Member

    @greytone: Right, right, my bad. Easy mix-up; the main point is that the person, in general, doesn’t matter. It’s the argument one must analyze, if one is being strictly logical. @nyokki: I understand where both you and nyokki are coming from, sickened by the anger and ridiculousness of the debate. And I can respect that. But I’m not interested in lotus as a person like you are, my interest lies in Lotus’ ideas and why I think they are the antithesis of reasonable thought, since they give credence based on ignorance instead of evidence. I respect your attempt to play… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
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    @ieattime20: Dude look i wasn’t upset with you until you accused me of believing in faeries and shit. And yes i do apologize for calling you names. That was below me and i did more damage than good. But it is apparent that you do not want to listen to people of differing opinions regardless of their level of education and their knowledge. You already have your mind made up prior to argument i suppose. And i am not trying to make you believe me. I am trying to make you understand where i am coming from and why i… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @nyokki:

    Oh it’s cool nyokki. I share the same sentiment. I hold your opinions and thoughts very high.

    ieattime20
    Member

    @thelotuseater725: I’m going to be very clear here, because like you, I want you to understand: I have never once said you are wrong. There are only two possibilities with your worldview (as I don’t know enough of it to be definite): You cannot be right or wrong. This is the case if your world view has completely (even in the hypothetical) unverifiable tenants (like the faeries). Ideas that are not right or wrong are, by definition, meaningless and dangerous (because they appear at first to be normal, but are incapable of being proven wrong). It’s how kings claim divinity… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    Yeah it does. I guess i shouldn’t have made assumptions and for that i apologize. “Ideas that are not right or wrong are, by definition, meaningless and dangerous (because they appear at first to be normal, but are incapable of being proven wrong). It’s how kings claim divinity and eugenics kills millions of people. It’s precisely the reason that “a lack of evidence” proves nothing, absolutely nothing, not a single thing to give legitimate, reasonable credit to this world view.” “The reason I’m still derisive is that, until you have some method of even theoretically verifying this, it’s just near-meaningless… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
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    Also i apologize for being hostile. MCS is the first site where i haven’t had 10000 atheists gang up on me and start acting like name calling dicks. Also it’s the first one where people actually challenged my views in a non-dickhead manner. God thats all Fark.com is whenever anything in regards to atheism or religion is posted. So when people begin accusing me of fairy belief and stuff i begin getting hostile and nasty out of old habit.

    nyoki
    Member

    I look at it as a philosophical argument, rather than a scientific one. Right now, science points to no-god. Right now, science ends there. When you’re talking about origins, your into philosophy. Aristotle posited a Prime Mover, purposely leaving out god. Philosophy allows us to argue ideas that can not, as yet, be explored through the harder sciences. This doesn’t make the argument moot, it makes it unknown and argues the likelihood of this or that theory. It’s often philosophy that sets what may be the next scientific front. W/out it science is no more. Scientists wouldn’t know where to… Read more »

    ieattime20
    Member

    Just a couple more issues of clarification: 1. Cold, hard science is making serious efforts in every field, legitimate efforts, and all while held (for the most part) at the arm’s length of skepticism and being incredibly self-critical. Thus far, no evidence of god, or anything like a Prime Mover. I’d argue that we’ve made a LOT of headway in secular science towards an origin explanation, getting monumentally closer to the moment of the Big Bang itself. Religion, or even spiritual thought, thus far has put forth no testable theory towards the origin. Only a claim of ignorance. 2. Michael… Read more »

    nyoki
    Member

    Philosophically, I also refuse to believe in god. I don’t expect that others do the same. I don’t even care much if there is or isn’t a god. I don’t expect others to feel the same. I understand that not-belief is extraordinarily difficult for those raised in a faith. I wasn’t. I was raised an atheist and have no bitterness towards those that aren’t. Somewhere on this site I said I’d considered believing but just can’t keep it up. Fundamentally I’m an atheist. How difficult must it be for those who believe to try not to?

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @ieattime20:

    “The difference between these people and evangelists or Carlos Castanada for example…”

    Dude i do not take the words of priests and whatnot as scientific fact.

    But still for the most part on everything else you are right. Religion has failed to show any scientific evidence for god. So i understand your skepticism in that regard. The only reason i believe is because of some wild shit that has happened to me. All i can offer is anecdotal evidence but for the most part anecdotal evidence doesn’t mean shit because i could be lying.

    greytone
    Member
    greytone

    Yay! Everyone’s friends again! Feels like the end of a sitcom in here. Everything’s wrapped up nice and neat.

    I’m really impressed with everyone. I’ve never seen this happen in a comment thread.

    Now we can all go back to arguing about boob size and trigger discipline. Good ol’ m[c]s. 🙂

    ieattime20
    Member

    BOOB SIZE DOESN’T EXIST

    PROPER GUN STANCES ARE FOR ZEALOTS

    SumoSnipe
    Member
    SumoSnipe

    Agreed. Every time I have fired a shot at something important, proper stance was nowhere to be found.
    Disagree. If boob size does not exist, then would the boob itself not exist?

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