http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFI_8pHf2f0&NR=1

btw this topic had 2 much seriousness time for some laughter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0WsnKQCax8

@Paul_Is_Drunk:
Haha. Very nice. Nah I live in Austria. So you’re gonna visit Swiss, sweet. The only neighbour country I’ve never been to. Yah my French is horrible as well, heh. I think you’re an American in Germany, right?
Yeah, the ‘die’ is German but you can also read it in English as in dying. Clever, I know.

I’m assuming German because of the “die.” If not, my bad.

I’m assuming your done with the religious debate. That’s fine. I just got out a meeting and need to get my eat on. If you ever get curious about other possibilities for the big bang, look up universe expansion and contraction. Though I seem to remember it’s contradicting the bubble universe theory these days or something… can’t think… need flesh, er… meat!

Yeah only difference between you and me is that i believe in the jewish/christian god. But other than that you more or less have the exact same views on religion/god as i do. *high five back*

It’s only 7pm here though… but I won’t be in bed faking sleep until 3 or 4am.

@RSIxidor: There’s nothing wrong with capitalizing God when you’re writing about the Christian god, since it’s his name, grammar dictates it should be capitalised. Except when you’re writing about god or gods in a general sense, then capitalization isn’t necessary. Yay confusion! Although capitalising “him” and “he” is taking it a bit far, methinks.

Why must the cause be the human definition of “god?”

To clarify, you have also not quite provided ‘proof.’ With the question, “…what else but God could have created all this?” you shifted the burden of evidence to the negative existential argument, which as we’ve shown before, rests on the positive existential proclamation.

Religion was formed as a way to explain things when we didn’t have computers, calculators, microscopes and all that stuff called TECHNOLOGY. Humans, being the curious little shits they were, couldn’t stand it, so they made up stuff to explain stuff. VOILA~ instant religion. Christianity is hob-kobbled crap for all other religions. Pick the scraps up and sew your own religious patch work quilt! That’s what the bible is. Countless religions have existed before Christianity, so why is Christianity the one true faith? I think all of us know that the Earth has been around for more than 6000 years ( if you don’t, go shoot yourself, plix plox ) yet Christianity says that Earth isn’t older than that. That sounds like a pretty damn stupid thing from a one all powerful religion. Fuck that.

The world to me is proof, as in for everything that is, there must be a cause. And after studying what many philosophers and the likes have said, what else but a god could cause all this? I know that seems naive, but considering things like love, nature and human behaviour – suddenly it does not seem so naive any more.
It’s the first time I hear of Spinoza actually, and I guess yea you could say I agree with ‘harmony is god’.
The word god is such a terrible thing, I know what you have in mind when you hear it, but honestly it’s the only choice. It’s been abused by so many, and just like RSIxidor wrote, even the bible has been mistranslated.
I don’t know if you have heard of Dr. Joseph Murphy, but he wrote many books which explain it exactly. How if there is a god matters, but how ridiculous the idea of heaven, hell, and sin is.
I could really spend hours explaining to you why a god seems logical to me, and how I feel it’s been proven. But since you obviously need different proof than me, I doubt there’s anything I could say that would make it seem logical to you.
Which is ok. I consider myself to be a very skeptical determinist so I do understand where you’re coming from.

Haha and oh no. I didn’t mean that his opinion is any more valid just because he’s got such an high IQ. I just mentioned that to explain how that man got my attention.

I believe God exist, he fits very nicely into my model of the universe; so far, I can’t find any inconsistencies.

The world doesn’t need religion, the world needs God.

In what way is the world proof? Keep in mind we already disproved the “perfection” hypothesis.

Also, a high IQ doesn’t necessitate right. IQ is just the measurement of a tendency to notice patterns. Man must still interpret those patterns. That comes from training, which itself comes from the environment. The same genius that crafted the pyramids at Giza also believed in using crocodile feces as a contraceptive.

It would seem that you believe in Spinoza’s God. It’s a kind of a “harmony is god” point of view. My personal opinion is that, at that point, why bother to call it god?

Spinoza also believed in a mind/body duality which was disproved by biology and psychology, but that’s both a digression and something I addressed with intelligence and environmental effect.

There’s a lot of scriptures that say it, but again, man wrote it and then translated, its hard to really understand what the hell they were actually saying unless you know the old languages. I certainly don’t, another reason why I don’t currently consider myself a Christian. I don’t have the time or want to actually learn that. So I guess that makes any further or previous points I make moot.