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    dieAntagonista
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    dieAntagonista

    Looks like a young healthy fella. I always want to help people like that get a job, when I see em on the streets. I never do it though.

    outofocus
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    @dieAntagonista: I yell at those people to get jobs and stop begging. It pisses me off. The area I’m from has a huge population of 20 and unders who hang around and beg for money… many of which go home to mommy and daddy for dinner in the evening. My sister paid for her heroine addiction panhandling… which is just unbelievable to me. We didn’t grow up in the same households. She always had a roof over her head where as living with my mother, I actually experienced homelessness and was fed for brief periods of time via salvation army… Read more »

    dieAntagonista
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    @outofocus: That’s intense.I can relate to your story. My family was extremely poor at one point as well. But there was always a way to survive without begging. Yea well, when drugs are involved the story changes a little. Drugs are the reason why I never help those people, because you never know right. But if you have ever been addicted to any thing, whether it’s nicotine or caffeine, you know how hard it is to quit. So, even though I have never been a drug addict I do understand that it’s way harder for those. But just like you… Read more »

    elzarcothepale
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    with respect to your personal experiences with this issue, the problem is that you can’t put a uniform face on all those people. Rather, there isn’t one solution (currently within our society) that will fix the overall problem that causes this phenomenon. I have less to relate to this in terms of background, due to my suburban upbringing and “whitebread” home-life. I didn’t so much as drink til i was a sophomore in college (it would have been freshman year, but I had made a bet to last till i was legal for a plane ticket) My reason for chiming… Read more »

    outofocus
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    @elzarcothepale: You’re forgetting that there are programs that will help people get the bare essentials (at least in CA) and job training/placement. I’m currently in a position that I may be having to take advantage of all the taxes I’ve paid over the years because of how corrupt the worker’s compensation system is in the state of California. There is almost no excuse for panhandling for any length of time (i did it to get money to make a call when i was 13, and to get bus fare but i was deeply embarrassed). There are panhandlers in SF that… Read more »

    Caio
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    @elzarcothepale: You have a ridiculously facile view of homelessness yourself. Most of those people are either there because of drugs or they get there, and get into heroin/crack/whatever because it’s such a fundamental part of homeless culture.

    Hard work is one thing. Being able to hold a job and handle finances is a learned skill. If you ended up on the streets and started smoking cracks, you wouldn’t know how to hold a job even if you wanted to (and most of these people don’t seem to).

    Caio
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    *crack; the point I’m making is that “normal” life is so alien to people who’ve been on the streets for years is not even something those people think about, or would consider. There really is a homeless culture with homeless values. It’s its own little insular worldview.

    Gunface01
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    Alec Dalek
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    I only give money if it looks like they can’t work. Beyond that I have no guilt and actually quietly laugh at how big of screw up these kids are.

    elzarcothepale
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    @Caio: oh, i completely agree that i have about as much insight into homeless culture as i do into being raised black- i wasn’t pretending otherwise. That’s almost what i was trying to say about the idea of a “solution” to sort people out- the programs already in place are clearly meant for people closer to my, or perhaps more accurately Outofocus’, situation- people falling down from the system, but fully socialized to fit back into place once they get their shit in order. With this other culture, the solution would have to be tailored almost like a detox or… Read more »

    Puulaahi
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    Definitely a drug abuser.

    outofocus
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    @Caio: I agree with you. Those people need something more. I’m not even sure that they should be required to fit back into “normal” life. There should be alternate options that allow them to be functional without trying to force them to adapt to a situation that may never feel natural to them again.



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