Comments on: God or Not-God

By: nyokki

nyokki — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:19:20 +0000

@natedog: That's basically the argument frozen_fire was making.

By: natedog

natedog — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:41:40 +0000

What if Evil exists for our own good?

By: WistfulD

WistfulD — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:20:09 +0000

@two-sticks, the Jewish conception of God rarely claims the same level of universal benevolence that Christianity tends to.It’s a very different relationship between believer and divine. I know a number of Jewish individuals who claim never to worship God (or sometimes even to believe in God), then in the same breath say that they talk to God every day.

@frozen_fire, also @bajizzle, this is one of those other arguments that the theologians and philosophers have argued over for eons. Usually called the problem of the stone (like the problem of evil, as the above one is called), it is usually reduced to the question, “can God create a stone so heavy that even He can’t lift it?” Other good example is can God create a square circle. And again, some think this is a reasonable thing to require of an omnipotent God, others do not.

None of that changes the central point Epicurus made. God clearly could stop evil from happening, or not be omnipotent. Therefore, if God is omniscient and omnipotent, He must have some priority of more importance to Him than our benevolent treatment (be it free will, testing us, proving a point vs. satan). And to him, that is not the sign of a God worth calling God.

By: Hepathos

Hepathos — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:15:00 +0000

Maybe God is all powerful but he doesn’t give a fuck about humanity. Maybe he made thousands of better worlds and he plays with them instead of us.

By: Paul_Is_Drunk

Paul_Is_Drunk — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:33:58 +0000

The fact that everyone in this thread keeps ‘rationalizing’ and editing their points of view on this deific figure when new logic is presented SHOULD readily present the fact that he is a composite formed on the perceptions ascribed by those who ‘believe’ in him.

In example:
Fictitious beings can evolve with the times, supposedly omnipotent beings don’t become more omnipotent as human awareness grows.

“Oh, well… my omnipotent point of view was okay with selling daughters into slavery back then (Leviticus 25:44-46 ), but it’s bad now… because people now think it’s bad.”

By: AlecDalek

AlecDalek — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:25:43 +0000

@Ando: Exactly. The Jesus portrayed in the bible would never vote for or endorse any candidate in favour of killing children in third world countries. That would be Republican Jesus (ie. Ted Nugent).

By: natedog

natedog — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:21:11 +0000

@reboot: just because someone is all powerful does not mean they MUST use their power at all times. Jah may have a reason that your awesome mind can’t comprehend or see…

Jah may have set himself some limits, you know. if that makes him less that omnipotent, then tell me where god claims to be omnipotent. there are several things god can’t do, like microwave a burrito that’s too hot to eat, etc…

By: Paul_Is_Drunk

Paul_Is_Drunk — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:54:09 +0000

Damn it, did I miss all the fun? Well, let’s see if I can keep it going. *clears throat*

JESUS WAS AN ALIEN!

…proceed.

By: Ando

Ando — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:46:47 +0000

@diabeetus
Jesus would have voted for Obama.

By: asdf

asdf — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:46:11 +0000

in after shit storm