Tin Foil Hat Time

During lunch today, one of my friends says “Did you hear they’re going to be deploying an Army group here in the US”, to which I reply, ‘no, that’s against constitutional law’.   After lunch was over I did a bit of googling:

ArmyTimes.com

“They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.”

Ok, my tin foil is firmly on, but if you combine this ArmyTimes.com story with the previous stories we’ve heard of massive detention centers, what does this mean?

We now have places to put malcontents, and now we’re training war hardened soldiers to put them there?

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    suicydking
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    Don’t worry about the Army, they don’t want to shoot Americans.

    Blackwater was deployed during Katrina to “help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios” already. All they are is hired thugs. I’m a bit more worried about them.

    garbledxmission
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    I read about this two days ago. It’s disturbing in its’ implications but could also be innocuous. The claim is that they are preparing for possible massive civil unrest in the event of oh, say, the collapse of the entire economy. Why they need active duty when the Nation Guard is supposed to handle such things is another good question. Probably because the Guard is as stretch to the breaking point as it can be. Who knows? I do know that the conspiracy nuts will and already are all over it.

    garbledxmission
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    Good point about Blackwater. Those are some cold blooded lunatics. Well armed and trained ones tho…

    suicydking
    Member

    I agree about the Nat Guard, garbled. If we weren’t deploying the Nat Guard overseas we wouldn’t need the Army deployed at home.

    jose_lucca
    Member

    LOL@those who think that US Troops wont hurt Americans, they will if they are told that these folks are “anti-establishment”. Hell if they are willing to shoot innocent civilians in Iraq, whats to stop them from doing it here. And i agree with the above poster…if we the guard wasnt spread out over afgahnistan and Iraq, we wouldnt need army contingents here. They must know something we dont and they are prepping for it. Mark my words!

    FlyingMantisShrimp
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    Jose_Lucca…wow. As somebody who claims to have served in the military, you’ve got one pretty retarded view of service members. I can’t think of a single person I’ve ever served with who would just assault fellow Americans, no questions asked. Before you all flip out, maybe the government’s simply tapped a few units to be deployed to any “crisis zone” that may or may not pop up in the U.S. I agree about the points concerning the Nat Guard, but it kind of makes sense to do this from a tactical standpoint. In the event of a crisis, it would… Read more »

    jose_lucca
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    Yes i spelled Afghanistan wrong…doh.

    GorillaMunch
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    @Flying. If the order comes through to shoot a fellow American, under court marshal, would you risk getting thrown into a massive prison camp like every other poor sap? When they say civil unrest, they’re mostly worried about people carrying their own firearms (rifles, assualt rifles) Even if it is a constitutional right to carry them.

    jose_lucca
    Member

    @flying mantis shrimp Um retarded? I served so i know what some folks in the military are like…specifically in the Army. its not about attacking Americans willy nilly. Its about “following orders”. And yes there will be those who will refuse. But there are always those who wont. Its like the cops attacking those who are only trying to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech. I’m not talking the “anarchist” who run amok and destroy property. They deserve what ever ass whopping they get. I think you need to take off your patriotic glasses and look at the issue… Read more »

    jose_lucca
    Member

    I eagerly await your response.

    jose_lucca
    Member

    @Gorilla munch…them trying to take our right to bear arms is probably what will finally get folks to get off their duffs and take back what Bush & Co have slowly but surely taken from us…including our money which they are working on, as we all know.

    FlyingMantisShrimp
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    @Gorilla Yes, I would. And when they say “civil unrest,” that is NOT what they’re talking about. Civil unrest is very broad term that can include anything from a group of people protesting to a people burning cars and engaging in full-scale rioting. Although I can say that the Army is most likely not sending a full BCT(Brigade Combat Team) into an American city to stop a protest or to take away people’s firearms. @Jose Yeah, well, I apologize that your unit was full of dumbasses and dirtbags. Every soldier is trained to obey LAWFUL orders, not to just do… Read more »

    FlyingMantisShrimp
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    You people make it sound like they’re going to be moving house to house and shipping everybody off in giant cattle trucks. Military training involving crowd control doesn’t usually involved shipping people off in vast numbers. You just don’t have the resources to do something like that in the event of “city-wide unrest,” and it just doesn’t make any sense. If anything, it’ll probably just piss off more people. The only people that would probably be detained in that sort of situation are people who are acting extremely aggressive. By that I mean they’re posing a serious threat to other… Read more »

    jose_lucca
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    First of all let me stress that i never said anything about shooting, what i said was HURT Americans. I wasn’t talking about just my unit. i was talking about the many, many folks across services that i served with (we did a lot of cross service training). I met all types and from that experience i am sure that there are SOME folks out there who would do it. And maybe you served with a bunch of super cool guys, who knows? The point is that, as i said above, there will be folks who will do it. Specially… Read more »

    jose_lucca
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    I will now step down from the McS soap box.
    Tag, mantis, you’re it.

    jose_lucca
    Member

    Damn mantis, you beat me to the punch. I agree with you whole heartedly that they wont be going house to house and shipping folks off. Thats a bit extreme. They will however use those crowd control tactics on the extremely aggressive as well as the not. I cite my police brutality example above. Something we have all seen and which some of you folks on here have actually cheered on. Of course you’d be singing a different tune if they were doing that to you. I ought to know, i felt the same way till i got my ass… Read more »

    FlyingMantisShrimp
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    Ugh. Jose, maybe one day when you stop putting words in my mouth, we could actually have a conversation with some real meaning to it. I don’t know what sort of training you went through in the military, but most units nowadays will not use overly aggressive tactics against large crowds unless they’re utterly forced to. We’ve learned that the hard way from lessons in Iraq and Afghanistan. I didn’t say it’s out of the question that service members would harm American citizens. My point is that a lot of service members aren’t as simple-minded as a lot of people,… Read more »

    vanvelding
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    vanvelding

    It can happen. Even here. Saying “that’s impossible” and leaving it at that is just an invitation to trouble. It’s possible that military units could be deployed to corral a public, outraged section of a community into emergency detention areas. They’d only have to brutally put down and capture a large group of protesters/rioters/rebels to keep the rest of the populace in line. So long as they did it in front of some cameras, everyone else would just lock their doors and keep quiet. I think military units would do such a thing. There are plenty of examples of how… Read more »

    Caio
    Member

    Haha armed soldiers policing civilians during election time has worked great in Zimbabwe.

    Enjoy your freedom.

    EVIL ILLUMINATI
    Member

    martial law followed by total genocide

    Puulaahi
    Member

    A law is attempting to go through the Senate, that’s right it made it through the House. Ever hear of the S. 1959: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. A bill to establish the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism, and for other purposes. www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1959 FUCK THAT SHIT! “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” – John Adams ” If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a… Read more »

    natedog
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    when jesus comes back, you fags are gonna shit brix

    natedog
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    nyoki
    Member

    I share everyone’s concerns about what this could mean. I think this particular plan is about what happened after Katrina. People expect much more from their gov’t than they did even 30 years ago. We tend to look to the gov’t to do something and would prefer that that something is not just anything. Everyone expects the federal gov’t to be prepared to bring in real help after a disaster and not be so discombobulated like they were after Katrina.

    Brevity Truta
    Member

    It’s ok, the detention centres will all have McDonalds’ in them 😀

    gor
    Member

    Tin foil hat title is right. This thread sounds like it came right from www.abovetopsecret.com . Bunch of fucking morons. I don’t know what Caio is laughing at, because if it was true, we would use Canada as the detention camp.

    Puulaahi
    Member

    Gor, you always link these random conspiracy websites I have never heard of. You seem to be more apart of that group than I am. That’s right, just because it’s not in the mainstream news, this isn’t true.

    Caio
    Member

    Did you hear that guys? Gor thinks yet again that nothing bad could ever happen in America.

    Why vote at all? Nothing bad will ever happen in America.

    Stay the Course.

    natedog
    Member

    PROTIP: no one’s vote has counted for a decade

    gor
    Member

    Puul, I have over ten hours a day to kill at work and I can’t surf for porn, so I spend some of that time looking for the weird or stupid (that’s how I discovered Caio). Anyho, if you want to give legitimacy to a website full of people who have serious arguments of which well-known person is a gray alien or reptilian, or picking out Martain buildings from NASA photos, or how the world will end in 2012 because some failed human sacrificing near neolithic civilization says so, go right ahead. Me, I’m just going to laugh at them… Read more »

    General X
    Member

    Through the looking glass.
    Also watch the movie Siege with Denzel Washington and Bruce Willis.

    jose_lucca
    Member

    ok mantis shrimp, we’ll go through your post point by point: YOU: Ugh. Jose, maybe one day when you stop putting words in my mouth, we could actually have a conversation with some real meaning to it. ME: putting words in your mouth? lol. where? when? what are you talking about? Sounds like a cop out to me, not that you’ve said anything of substance aside form pushing the tired old propaganda that we see everywhere else. YOU: I don’t know what sort of training you went through in the military, but most units nowadays will not use overly aggressive… Read more »

    gx5000
    Member

    The Kent State University Shooting of 1970…
    They will shoot you when told to, PERIOD.

    Tin soldiers and Nixon’s coming
    We’re finally on our own
    This summer I hear the drumming
    Four dead in Ohio
    – From ‘Ohio’ by Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young

    gx5000
    Member

    Gor…I think it’s hilarious when some joe Yank thinks so well of Canada.
    It’s a good thing most of your Red state owners come here to relax and enjoy the green, and not only the snow.

    Canada is not America Junior, visit us, and you’ll see 😉

    Annarchy
    Member

    I only have two things to say about all of this: natedog, you are fucking hilarious! Thanks.
    Also: Kent State, May 4, 1970. Sure, trust the guys in uniforms carrying guns. You go right ahead. Me, I’m moving to Canada.

    Caio
    Member

    Jesus Christ Gx, don’t be a hippy.

    Let me quote the same Canadian hero that penned ‘Ohio’:

    “You see a faggot behind the fuckin’ cash register, you don’t want him to handle your potatoes.” – Neil Young, discussing AIDS

    natedog
    Member

    WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH NOT WANTING A FAGGOT TO KEEP HIS HANDS OFF MY POTATOES?

    natedog
    Member

    er, take the ‘NOT’ out, and you have the thought i was trying to convey



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