@Gor: No, I think we’re on the same page here.

Veils are 1 Corinthians 11, and many people extended it further than simply praying (the text is pretty clear about woman heads, even if it just says ‘praying’). There’s still a few (small, distant) Hamlets in Portugal and Italy where they still where veils all the time, and many more where they wear veils only in Church and Mourning (the mourning clothes are fucking scary), and the Muslims likely picked up the custom from Greek Christians living in the middle East; the Greeks (outside of Alexandria) were incredibly strict with women even before Christianity. Most places the woman couldn’t go in the front room of the house unaccompanied (my own theory is that Paul’s primarily Greek upbringing is what influenced him, as the Jews were somewhat patriarchal, but not to *that* extent). A few chapters later there’s some other awesomely sexist passage I can’t remember the chapter though.

1 Timothy 5 is probably the best example of ‘women can’t go to heaven thing’ but really it was more the aggregate of Paul’s repeated statements that women will stray towards the Devil if unchecked by men, which is something that pops up all over the Epistles.

You’re right about Paul, he screwed up the teachings of Jesus, but maybe in the long term actually may have actually saved them. Paul’s versions of the teachings allowed people to defend themselves (which is sort of the opposite from the “turning the other cheek” idea) and when the Muslims invaded southern Europe in the 700s, there were christians willing to kill to defend their homes (and hence, their faith). Now, of course, when Europeans try to do the same thing in the 1200s, the crusaders had the same problem (it’s amazing how muslims are still so pissed about the crusades, yet totally ignore that they did the same thing first).

Also, where about is the woman and heaven thing, I would like to read it? Old or new testament?

(Oh, btw, I’m not a christain, and I’m not defending any so called “truths”, except scientific.)

Every theologian, priest and pastor knew Romans and Corinthians off by heart, though.

Fun Fact: Women having to wear veils was never mentioned in the Quran and it’s quite likely Muhammad never saw a veil, but veil-wearing was very clearly established in the New Testament. I’ve been to small towns in Europe where women still wear full-on veils to Church.

It’s also strongly implied in the Bible that women probably can’t go to heaven.

: hey guys i think we should all love and respect our neighbor and totally be friends and stuff.
: awesome idea! we gotta spread this shit around!
: hells yeah dude
: WE WILL TEACH THE WORD OF GOD BY THE BLADE! SLAY THE HEATHENS!
: /facepalm

Out of all the different cultural building styles I’ve seen around the world, the medival gothic style is by far the coolest, imho.

also, it looks like that window is overlaid with gold

Ironic you’d be posting this with your name.

OR IS IT?!