Maybe a new thread, or the ever-easily-trolled /b/ might provide riper pastures?

Arguing over the internet or otherwise is an exercise in logic and reason. Sure, it doesn’t matter if you win, but you’ve exercised your mind, and hopefully learned a little. Because knowledge is power kids!

Arguing over the internet is like I hope you get AIDS.

First Nations issue – Wildy irrelevant to the topic at hand, bfwiw I agree. By all rights they should be given their own piece, declared an independent entity and left to their own devices. Don’t think it’s ever gonna happen, due to excessive greed on both sides, but there it is.

Also US =/= Israel. This is definitely a bad analogy. That’s not to say that I believe a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to bring a firearm to a classroom. There have been several instances where an armed teacher might have been able to bring an extended school massacre to a swift halt.

Situations like these, are one of the reasons why a total firearms ban makes no sense. But I also don’t believe arming everyone will solve everything either. They are simply two opposite but equal extremes, only circumstantially unrelated to the real problem.

The real issue will be getting a handle on *why* we actually need metal detectors, and airport-like security in some of our schools. That is a cultural issue, not a weapons issue. Too many kids and young adults today have ass backwards values.

I think it is because we have become a self centered, excessively permissive and oversensitive society. And our parenting skills have suffered as a result of that. We are raising jacked up kids. The weapons are purely symptomatic. Neither comprehensive armament nor disarmament will fix that.

And as for our Government… I got nuthin’…

Like myself, Magnus and AlecDalek seem to have both had experience with First Nations peoples, and while I’ve made friends of a few, in ‘General’… They piss on the handouts from our government. Squander their excess of opportunities, and just drink instead. As a whole, they are a degrading force within our borders.

Its been long enough, we’ve payed dearly for the sins of our fathers fathers, and they’ve had more than enough help getting their shit together, and it just gets worse.
We do not honor their culture by allowing them to grow lazy. They should be given a big chunk of land in Canada/U.S. suitable to their numbers, named their own sovereign nation, and promptly forgotten about.

As for the original thread post, I just can’t imagine how one could logically compare the affairs in Israel to U.S. schools. If teachers are in danger in U.S. schools from the children no less, then giving them guns is probably the best way of totally missing the issue. I don’t care if you train them in the military, sanctioned guns in a classroom is sheer madness.

I can’t fathom the logic that adding more and more guns, and militarizing the entire nation is actually an option over there. How could the problem come full circle and become the solution.
Time to go back to code. Bring the damn troops home and put some millions into the problems back here. Assuming you will ever convince your government to stop squandering millions of debt and tax dollars on the greed campaign overseas… but that’s a whole other problem.

http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/

Shit site but the links are pretty clear.

If you’d like to dwell on the subject: yes I have no tolerance for drunken asshole Indians who cause shit because they don’t have to work for a living.

By “white people” do mean non Indians? Cause there’s a fuck of a lot more Chinese people in Toronto than white people. And Indians but from India so they’re white by default I guess?

PS: that money that “white people” get. Ya that’s tax money. That tax money…comes from those same “white people”. The Indians? No they don’t pay taxes. At all. So they get free money for doing nothing and don’t pay any taxes.

Wow. That sure is a lot to complain about. Oh wait…like hundreds of years ago they got their asses handed to them. So has everyone at one time or another.

IMO: close every res and treat Indians like everyone else. Otherwise you’re just enabling them to continue being drunken fuckups and cry babies.

btw: Korea also has mandatory military service. Lots of countries do. I wish Canada did. Maybe that would help people quit being such big mouthed retards.

Back to that picture there: every time I think of Jewish chicks I think of Frank Zappa when he sang that lyric in Funky Little Jewish Princess about how they squeak when they cum. Hilarity!

1) Idiot fight.
2) Mr Dooves is full of shit. First of all, Muslims could vote in Israel before Natives could vote in Canada. Second of all, through a series of loop-holes involving federal/provincial spending laws, Reservation natives receive less than a tenth of the funding white people do, if you factor in Education, Road Maintenance, Sanitation, etc. That is, for every dollar spent on you by the government, the average “Status Indian” gets less than a cent. It’s largely the tradition of the “Ministry of Indian and Northern” to keep this in place, as it’s cheap, legal, and most Canadians don’t care.

2) It’s interesting that Gore would pick the Mohawk as an example. Probably because he heard about one of the high-profile Mohawk protests somewhere. Interestingly enough, 90% of the Mohawk hunting grounds were traditional in upstate New York, because the Americans slaughtered them after the Revolutionary war, and those lucky enough to survive escaped to Canada. This is in spite of the fact that the Mohawk broke the Iroquois Confederacy to express neutrality and give silent support to the Americans’ cause.

3) No one cares about this distorted gun shit propaganda. Israel has had repeated day care massacres. Sweden has mandatory draft for all males, which is why they all own guns. Finland is primarily rural, and has once middle-sized city, also only rifles. But none of the gun lobbyists ever mention those mitigating circumstances do they?

goldar had a good comment. The lawnmower a great one. Should have /thread right there.

Then dooves starts tirading america with some of the most spammed arguments to exist on these fine internets.

Gor fights back, overreacts, then realizes a few mistakes and backs down a bit.

Caio is a general abrasive ass with some decent points interspersed.

Magnus… either someone else logged on or he’s run out of asshole in his system for a while but he was probably the most intelligent and correct debater here. Impressive.

All in all the general argumentative stance is as it is in all internet forums: filled with overreaching statements and grandoise insults whenever a perceived “point” is scored

tl;dr that chick is highly nom-able. and don’t give guns to teachers. My High school History teacher would have high score by now.

@Mr. Dooves.
Not all of your arguments have been fair and respectable. You are just about as emotionally biased against guns as the “warmongering apes” (to which as you so aptly refer) are paranoid about weapons for self defense.

However I do agree with you about our failure in raising our kids, our blatantly partisan media, and our rather despicable penchant for sticking for getting up other countries noses…

Move? I could if I wanted. Just don’t feel the need for it. At least not yet. But not everyone is that lucky. Not so easy to pack up and leave when you don’t know of any other way of life, or don’t have any where else to go.

As for having control of our government… Beats me. Apparently, Americans actually voted for the jackass in the white house right now… Twice.

For me, that fact is actually more frightening than the prospects of foreign WMDs landing on our doorstep.

Only an American could think to compare the armament of threatened Israel schools from local militant forces, and somehow relate it to arming teachers in American schools oceans away from any battle. Lets get our facts and priorities on the table.
@mAgnUS BUTTfoorson: You did a good job setting things straight for the thread, and thanks for that. Easy for people to get defensive and miss the point.

Mag is right, we need to turn it down a notch.

As for this picture, if she would put a little make-up on, I would surely nom nom.