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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotcha.

I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s even plausible, though. buncha guys with some guns against planes and tanks? Sure guerrilla warfare may work for a while, but with propaganda and spin the way it is, the ones fighting in militias would be in the distinct minority. And even then not for long.

@nyokki and Fallacy (assuming you&#039;re still monitoring this):

I believe (shot in the dark here) he&#039;s trying to quote a poem that was in the back of my History classroom in high school (yeah I didn&#039;t always pay attention)

First they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out, for I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the union workers, and I did not speak out, for I was not one of them.
Then they came for the homosexuals (etc etc etc TILL)
And then they came for me, and no one was left to speak out for me.

Not a bad one, that.

Also tell me if I&#039;m wrong Fallacy. I&#039;ll feel like an ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotcha.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s even plausible, though. buncha guys with some guns against planes and tanks? Sure guerrilla warfare may work for a while, but with propaganda and spin the way it is, the ones fighting in militias would be in the distinct minority. And even then not for long.</p>
<p>@nyokki and Fallacy (assuming you&#8217;re still monitoring this):</p>
<p>I believe (shot in the dark here) he&#8217;s trying to quote a poem that was in the back of my History classroom in high school (yeah I didn&#8217;t always pay attention)</p>
<p>First they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out, for I was not a Jew.<br />
Then they came for the union workers, and I did not speak out, for I was not one of them.<br />
Then they came for the homosexuals (etc etc etc TILL)<br />
And then they came for me, and no one was left to speak out for me.</p>
<p>Not a bad one, that.</p>
<p>Also tell me if I&#8217;m wrong Fallacy. I&#8217;ll feel like an ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyna-Mole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dyna-Mole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, Max, that was for ChrisHateFreedom. 

I think the main role of a militia would be to protect us from our own government and police.

Our alien master race bred us here as slaves-unawares here to mine gold. gold which is used to create shielding from the radiation of outerspace. the pyramids were to fill with gold not be tombs. our gold may not be in a pyramid, but it&#039;s waiting somewhere. 

not sure if that last paragraph is true, but this kid in the park broke it down, and inside i was like, &quot;I can honestly see it happening.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, Max, that was for ChrisHateFreedom. </p>
<p>I think the main role of a militia would be to protect us from our own government and police.</p>
<p>Our alien master race bred us here as slaves-unawares here to mine gold. gold which is used to create shielding from the radiation of outerspace. the pyramids were to fill with gold not be tombs. our gold may not be in a pyramid, but it&#8217;s waiting somewhere. </p>
<p>not sure if that last paragraph is true, but this kid in the park broke it down, and inside i was like, &#8220;I can honestly see it happening.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m with you there, Dyna-Mole. Originally I thought &quot;Homeland Security? then what&#039;s the DoD for?&quot;
I&#039;m not sure if your first thing is an argument against what I said or a general statement. Since I didn&#039;t mention lessening its size, I&#039;ll assume the latter, in which case I&#039;d have to agree.

Militias I&#039;m not sure we really need, as anyone dumb enough to invade America would in all likelihood get their shit tossed, unless it was a huge coalition or just a giant country (India or China) in which case nukes would get fired before long and everybody&#039;d get fucked. Which means that&#039;s not likely.
Guns (at least the recreation type AKA pistols, semi-auto/muzzleloader/non-armor-piercing-types) I&#039;m all for keeping, as I&#039;ve shot quite a few of thems mahself. Nothing wrong with having a little fun (observing the more obvious safety stuff). Using them for safety I haven&#039;t really thought about much, though I doubt taking them away would help too much. Easy enough to get them anyways if you want them and you can&#039;t make existing ones dissappear (as mentioned in another thread I believe).
Gold Standard I&#039;m not sure we could have stayed on if we tried. Our ability to spend would&#039;ve gone down and we may not have been able to keep up.


Aw shit I tl;dr&#039;ed again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m with you there, Dyna-Mole. Originally I thought &#8220;Homeland Security? then what&#8217;s the DoD for?&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m not sure if your first thing is an argument against what I said or a general statement. Since I didn&#8217;t mention lessening its size, I&#8217;ll assume the latter, in which case I&#8217;d have to agree.</p>
<p>Militias I&#8217;m not sure we really need, as anyone dumb enough to invade America would in all likelihood get their shit tossed, unless it was a huge coalition or just a giant country (India or China) in which case nukes would get fired before long and everybody&#8217;d get fucked. Which means that&#8217;s not likely.<br />
Guns (at least the recreation type AKA pistols, semi-auto/muzzleloader/non-armor-piercing-types) I&#8217;m all for keeping, as I&#8217;ve shot quite a few of thems mahself. Nothing wrong with having a little fun (observing the more obvious safety stuff). Using them for safety I haven&#8217;t really thought about much, though I doubt taking them away would help too much. Easy enough to get them anyways if you want them and you can&#8217;t make existing ones dissappear (as mentioned in another thread I believe).<br />
Gold Standard I&#8217;m not sure we could have stayed on if we tried. Our ability to spend would&#8217;ve gone down and we may not have been able to keep up.</p>
<p>Aw shit I tl;dr&#8217;ed again.</p>
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		<title>By: nyokki</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyokki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fallacy
That link doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fallacy<br />
That link doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Fallacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fallacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Civil liberties matter. They matter and if you think they don&#039;t then you don&#039;t really believe in the rule of law and the foundation of America. If that&#039;s the way direction you want to take then so be it but just know which way that line of thinking heads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Civil liberties matter. They matter and if you think they don&#8217;t then you don&#8217;t really believe in the rule of law and the foundation of America. If that&#8217;s the way direction you want to take then so be it but just know which way that line of thinking heads.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came.." rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyna-Mole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dyna-Mole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, never have they tried to make the government smaller. Maybe they have, I don&#039;t know, but honestly Republicans can&#039;t tow that banner anymore. On top of the Military, FBI, ATF, CIA, NSA, Secret Service, U.S. Marshalls, State, local, and county police, we now have the Department of Homeland Security. wtf?

and they&#039;re trying to take away our militias, guns, and they took us off the gold standard. Either our alien master race is coming soon, or America and the constitution are probably gonna get very different. or both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, never have they tried to make the government smaller. Maybe they have, I don&#8217;t know, but honestly Republicans can&#8217;t tow that banner anymore. On top of the Military, FBI, ATF, CIA, NSA, Secret Service, U.S. Marshalls, State, local, and county police, we now have the Department of Homeland Security. wtf?</p>
<p>and they&#8217;re trying to take away our militias, guns, and they took us off the gold standard. Either our alien master race is coming soon, or America and the constitution are probably gonna get very different. or both.</p>
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		<title>By: chris_hates_freedom</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris_hates_freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, to recap:

Part of government that provides social programs = MAKE SMALLER

Part of government that spies upon the people = MAKE BIGGER

yay freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, to recap:</p>
<p>Part of government that provides social programs = MAKE SMALLER</p>
<p>Part of government that spies upon the people = MAKE BIGGER</p>
<p>yay freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been a while since I&#039;ve visited this fair site, and so I&#039;ve probably missed the argument, but for the record:

BigBoss, some things to realize:
1) Using a lot of exclamation marks does not prove your point. The more you use the more hyperactive and whiny you sound. Use less and you&#039;ll be taken more seriously.
2) You also ignore the fact that they BROKE THE LAW in order to do this. The government should not be above its own laws. That should go without saying
3) Finally, and most importantly, your view that &quot;the terrorists&quot; should be found and tortured/killed/imprisoned &quot;AT ALL COST&quot; is one of the most foolish arguments I can think of. The day the ends always justify the means is the day you are more than capable of becoming as bad/worse as the evil you are fighting. An extremely dangerous path to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been a while since I&#8217;ve visited this fair site, and so I&#8217;ve probably missed the argument, but for the record:</p>
<p>BigBoss, some things to realize:<br />
1) Using a lot of exclamation marks does not prove your point. The more you use the more hyperactive and whiny you sound. Use less and you&#8217;ll be taken more seriously.<br />
2) You also ignore the fact that they BROKE THE LAW in order to do this. The government should not be above its own laws. That should go without saying<br />
3) Finally, and most importantly, your view that &#8220;the terrorists&#8221; should be found and tortured/killed/imprisoned &#8220;AT ALL COST&#8221; is one of the most foolish arguments I can think of. The day the ends always justify the means is the day you are more than capable of becoming as bad/worse as the evil you are fighting. An extremely dangerous path to follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyna-Mole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dyna-Mole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 06:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WINNER!

&quot;Trusting government is the most un-American thing I can think of.&quot; 

WINNER!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WINNER!</p>
<p>&#8220;Trusting government is the most un-American thing I can think of.&#8221; </p>
<p>WINNER!</p>
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		<title>By: nyokki</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyokki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BigBoss...mostly
It&#039;s my country too and I can say whatever the fuck I like, or don&#039;t like, about it...for now.  I&#039;m certainly not going to leave it because I don&#039;t like what I&#039;m seeing.  As a matter fact, I consider it my duty to say something when I think we&#039;re going in the wrong direction.  The ACLU may not win every fight, or even most fights.  It&#039;s still important that &lt;i&gt;someone&lt;/i&gt; is saying it LOUDLY. Dis-liking and not trusting government, any government, is what our Constitution and Bill of Rights are all about.  This is especially true of our government and it is practically a civic duty of every American to rail against the current (each one actually) administration.    What do you think the 2nd amendment is really for?  Don&#039;t tell me (or any American) to leave because we disagree w/ any other person/administration.  When people say stuff like that, I wonder what country they were brought up in.  Love it or leave it?  Really?  Why?  Trusting government is the most un-American thing I can think of.  I really don&#039;t understand how people like that can so misunderstand what it means to &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; an American.  STFU or GTFO does not apply to Americans or America.  Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BigBoss&#8230;mostly<br />
It&#8217;s my country too and I can say whatever the fuck I like, or don&#8217;t like, about it&#8230;for now.  I&#8217;m certainly not going to leave it because I don&#8217;t like what I&#8217;m seeing.  As a matter fact, I consider it my duty to say something when I think we&#8217;re going in the wrong direction.  The ACLU may not win every fight, or even most fights.  It&#8217;s still important that <i>someone</i> is saying it LOUDLY. Dis-liking and not trusting government, any government, is what our Constitution and Bill of Rights are all about.  This is especially true of our government and it is practically a civic duty of every American to rail against the current (each one actually) administration.    What do you think the 2nd amendment is really for?  Don&#8217;t tell me (or any American) to leave because we disagree w/ any other person/administration.  When people say stuff like that, I wonder what country they were brought up in.  Love it or leave it?  Really?  Why?  Trusting government is the most un-American thing I can think of.  I really don&#8217;t understand how people like that can so misunderstand what it means to <i>be</i> an American.  STFU or GTFO does not apply to Americans or America.  Period.</p>
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