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	<title>Comments on: Bill Gates and Steve Jobs</title>
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		<title>By: Pants</title>
		<link>http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2008/07/06/bill-gates-and-steve-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-119725</link>
		<dc:creator>Pants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They both look like Stephen Hawking in this picture.</description>
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		<title>By: Thrella</title>
		<link>http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2008/07/06/bill-gates-and-steve-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-119720</link>
		<dc:creator>Thrella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linux is a shitload more accessible and cheaper! If, of course, you know scripting, have a shitload of patience, time, knowledge of how to operate computers, and generally don&#039;t mind never ever being able to install any application, because it&#039;ll either fuck up, or not even work.

I hate that in people. You defend free-ware because it&#039;s &quot;better&quot; but only for you. Most people can&#039;t (AND DON&#039;T CARE TO) do this stuff, and just opt for the simpler form. Everyone has windows and mac, so a vast majority knows how to use it. If linux goes FUBAR it&#039;ll take you forever to figure out what happened, and support is rare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linux is a shitload more accessible and cheaper! If, of course, you know scripting, have a shitload of patience, time, knowledge of how to operate computers, and generally don&#8217;t mind never ever being able to install any application, because it&#8217;ll either fuck up, or not even work.</p>
<p>I hate that in people. You defend free-ware because it&#8217;s &#8220;better&#8221; but only for you. Most people can&#8217;t (AND DON&#8217;T CARE TO) do this stuff, and just opt for the simpler form. Everyone has windows and mac, so a vast majority knows how to use it. If linux goes FUBAR it&#8217;ll take you forever to figure out what happened, and support is rare.</p>
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		<title>By: storminator</title>
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		<dc:creator>storminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve met both of those guys.  I used to work the events such as they are at in the photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve met both of those guys.  I used to work the events such as they are at in the photo.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Manic</title>
		<link>http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2008/07/06/bill-gates-and-steve-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-119566</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Manic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks eHarmony!</description>
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		<title>By: AgZed</title>
		<link>http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2008/07/06/bill-gates-and-steve-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-119559</link>
		<dc:creator>AgZed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@singularapathy, I&#039;m with you man.  I&#039;ve been using both Linux and Windows for around six years now, and Linux still has a long, long way to come in terms of usability.  I have Suse and Ubuntu installed on my desktop, but I also have Vista, and 99% of my time is spent using Windows.  I use Damn Small Linux exclusively on my laptop, if only because I don&#039;t use it for anything more complicated than internet browsing or word processing, and I want something that can start, and stop, as quickly as possible.

But when it comes to usability, anyone who thinks Linux is ahead of anything (Windows or Mac) is deluding themselves.  A few examples:  I built a new computer a while back, with an Nvidia card (after the nightmare that was ATI and *nix).  I install Ubuntu.  The Ubuntu help says that to enable the vaunted graphical flashiness, I need to install the restricted driver.  I try to do this, Ubuntu tells me I don&#039;t need a restricted driver.  I try to enable desktop effects.  Ubuntu tells me it can&#039;t.  But not why.  An hour of wading through forum posts, I find someone has posted a huge script that should fix my problem.  Half an hour of reading through the thing making sure this &quot;run as root&quot; script doesn&#039;t have a hidden &quot;rm -r /&quot; in there somewhere, I run it, and Ubuntu crashes.  But this was supposed to happen, apparently.

How about OpenSuse?  One-click installation of drivers.  Sounds pretty easy right?  Well sure, you click on the button, progress bars leap to life, all sorts of stuff looks like it&#039;s happening, and then it all disappears.  Did it work?  Did it fail?  Who knows?  I go poking around, and one application tells me the drivers weren&#039;t installed, another one tells me they were.  Well that&#039;s peachy.

And let&#039;s not mention the fact that easily 80% of applications that fail to launch do so without providing a single error message, or any indication anything went wrong.  You click their icon, your mouse cursor changes to the little &quot;thinking&quot; icon, and then...  Nothing!  Then you have to pull up terminal and try to start the program from the command line just to see why it&#039;s not starting.  Lovely, that.

And how about the fact that if anything ever does go wrong, the vast majority of the time, solving it involves a whole lot of mucking around in with the CLI.  Do you know how most people react to being told to use the command line?  I&#039;ll give you an example.  I installed Ubuntu on my sister&#039;s computer, set everything up, got it all working nicely.  Two weeks later, she rings me, and I swear, our conversation, nearly word for word, went as follows:
Her: &quot;My printer stopped working.&quot;
Me: &quot;Hurray!  How, exactly is it not working.&quot;
Her: *describes problem*
Me: &quot;Ah, ok.  What I need you to do is click on Applications, then Accessories, then Terminal.  Ok?  Now I need you to type-&quot;
Her:  &quot;Um, when can you come over and put Windows back on?&quot;

But all of the above pales in comparisson to the only example I need when people tell me Linux is more &quot;usable&quot; than Windows.  I added a second monitor to my computer a few months ago.  I boot Vista, the second monitor pops on, ten minutes of fiddling and I&#039;ve got everything the way I want it.  I boot Suse.  Second monitor doesn&#039;t come on.  Ditto Ubuntu.  I Google.  I post questions in help forums.  The most constructive answer I get back is, &quot;You should have made sure both monitors were plugged in when you installed *nix.  A reinstall should fix the problem.&quot;  Reinstall an operating system because I got a new monitor?  Even Vista isn&#039;t that bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@singularapathy, I&#8217;m with you man.  I&#8217;ve been using both Linux and Windows for around six years now, and Linux still has a long, long way to come in terms of usability.  I have Suse and Ubuntu installed on my desktop, but I also have Vista, and 99% of my time is spent using Windows.  I use Damn Small Linux exclusively on my laptop, if only because I don&#8217;t use it for anything more complicated than internet browsing or word processing, and I want something that can start, and stop, as quickly as possible.</p>
<p>But when it comes to usability, anyone who thinks Linux is ahead of anything (Windows or Mac) is deluding themselves.  A few examples:  I built a new computer a while back, with an Nvidia card (after the nightmare that was ATI and *nix).  I install Ubuntu.  The Ubuntu help says that to enable the vaunted graphical flashiness, I need to install the restricted driver.  I try to do this, Ubuntu tells me I don&#8217;t need a restricted driver.  I try to enable desktop effects.  Ubuntu tells me it can&#8217;t.  But not why.  An hour of wading through forum posts, I find someone has posted a huge script that should fix my problem.  Half an hour of reading through the thing making sure this &#8220;run as root&#8221; script doesn&#8217;t have a hidden &#8220;rm -r /&#8221; in there somewhere, I run it, and Ubuntu crashes.  But this was supposed to happen, apparently.</p>
<p>How about OpenSuse?  One-click installation of drivers.  Sounds pretty easy right?  Well sure, you click on the button, progress bars leap to life, all sorts of stuff looks like it&#8217;s happening, and then it all disappears.  Did it work?  Did it fail?  Who knows?  I go poking around, and one application tells me the drivers weren&#8217;t installed, another one tells me they were.  Well that&#8217;s peachy.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not mention the fact that easily 80% of applications that fail to launch do so without providing a single error message, or any indication anything went wrong.  You click their icon, your mouse cursor changes to the little &#8220;thinking&#8221; icon, and then&#8230;  Nothing!  Then you have to pull up terminal and try to start the program from the command line just to see why it&#8217;s not starting.  Lovely, that.</p>
<p>And how about the fact that if anything ever does go wrong, the vast majority of the time, solving it involves a whole lot of mucking around in with the CLI.  Do you know how most people react to being told to use the command line?  I&#8217;ll give you an example.  I installed Ubuntu on my sister&#8217;s computer, set everything up, got it all working nicely.  Two weeks later, she rings me, and I swear, our conversation, nearly word for word, went as follows:<br />
Her: &#8220;My printer stopped working.&#8221;<br />
Me: &#8220;Hurray!  How, exactly is it not working.&#8221;<br />
Her: *describes problem*<br />
Me: &#8220;Ah, ok.  What I need you to do is click on Applications, then Accessories, then Terminal.  Ok?  Now I need you to type-&#8221;<br />
Her:  &#8220;Um, when can you come over and put Windows back on?&#8221;</p>
<p>But all of the above pales in comparisson to the only example I need when people tell me Linux is more &#8220;usable&#8221; than Windows.  I added a second monitor to my computer a few months ago.  I boot Vista, the second monitor pops on, ten minutes of fiddling and I&#8217;ve got everything the way I want it.  I boot Suse.  Second monitor doesn&#8217;t come on.  Ditto Ubuntu.  I Google.  I post questions in help forums.  The most constructive answer I get back is, &#8220;You should have made sure both monitors were plugged in when you installed *nix.  A reinstall should fix the problem.&#8221;  Reinstall an operating system because I got a new monitor?  Even Vista isn&#8217;t that bad.</p>
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		<title>By: RSIxidor</title>
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		<dc:creator>RSIxidor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus, look at those guys! You want to give those two creepy motherfuckers money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus, look at those guys! You want to give those two creepy motherfuckers money?</p>
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		<title>By: RSIxidor</title>
		<link>http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2008/07/06/bill-gates-and-steve-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-119470</link>
		<dc:creator>RSIxidor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And also, if I COULD edit every movie I watch, believe me, I ABSOLUTELY FUCKING WOULD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And also, if I COULD edit every movie I watch, believe me, I ABSOLUTELY FUCKING WOULD.</p>
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		<title>By: unknown</title>
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		<dc:creator>unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUCK YOUR COMPUTER NERDITY!

And back to the subject... these two guys got a room later that evening. Guess who was on top?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUCK YOUR COMPUTER NERDITY!</p>
<p>And back to the subject&#8230; these two guys got a room later that evening. Guess who was on top?</p>
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		<title>By: RSIxidor</title>
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		<dc:creator>RSIxidor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said it, no one.

BESIDES whether or not you like it, my point is still quite legitimate. Everything that&#039;s super awesome about Windows existed in a different operating system at least 1+ years before Windows had it.(I use Vista, as well, btw. But I don&#039;t have my own PC atm, and I&#039;d need Windows at home for work because my work people are lame).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said it, no one.</p>
<p>BESIDES whether or not you like it, my point is still quite legitimate. Everything that&#8217;s super awesome about Windows existed in a different operating system at least 1+ years before Windows had it.(I use Vista, as well, btw. But I don&#8217;t have my own PC atm, and I&#8217;d need Windows at home for work because my work people are lame).</p>
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		<title>By: Exacerbate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exacerbate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@singularapathy
You obviously haven&#039;t tried Linux for very long. I use Ubuntu and it&#039;s much better than anything else. I run nearly every piece of Windows software I need, and when I can&#039;t, there&#039;s always a Linux alternative. The effects are amazing and more &#039;aesthetically pleasing&#039; than anything you&#039;ll get anywhere else. I mean, don&#039;t talk until you know what you&#039;re talking about. Every aspect of the OS is customizable to your liking, so saying it&#039;s ugly can be easily fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@singularapathy<br />
You obviously haven&#8217;t tried Linux for very long. I use Ubuntu and it&#8217;s much better than anything else. I run nearly every piece of Windows software I need, and when I can&#8217;t, there&#8217;s always a Linux alternative. The effects are amazing and more &#8216;aesthetically pleasing&#8217; than anything you&#8217;ll get anywhere else. I mean, don&#8217;t talk until you know what you&#8217;re talking about. Every aspect of the OS is customizable to your liking, so saying it&#8217;s ugly can be easily fixed.</p>
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