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    barraspalding
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    one glove… he’s as cool as MJ!

    howsyoursister
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    Boy. That GW Bush is a snappy dresser.

    MacheteJak
    Member

    Oh, for God’s sake, that was a bit much.

    Mystik
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    Actually… not really. I mean, before Hitler invaded Poland, he was pretty much a good guy. Got Germany on its feet anyway. Not saying I like him, but I’m just saying that one day Bush could be a somewhat competent president, and the next he’d be exterminating the Arabs.

    Ben1605
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    I think Mystik is right, except for Bush being competent. That’ll never happen.

    howsyoursister
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    I find it funny he calls the elections in Zimbabwe a sham. If it wasn’t for the bullshit in Florida in 2000, he wouldn’t be president now.

    storminator
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    Hitler had a lot of issues.

    nyoki
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    We should remember that Hitler wasn’t a raving lunatic, frothing at the mouth, who enslaved Germany and forced them to despicable deeds. He was voted into office and brought his country out of the misery it had endured since the Treaty of Versailles. The nation was grateful and allowed him every freedom while they denied that freedom to one group after another. By the time they figured out what had happened they had no recourse; they had allowed their leader to take away nearly every right of a private citizen. What Bush has been doing should have sounded the alarm… Read more »

    Cargen
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    “the Road to hell is paved with good inetentions” Hitler is a class A example of this quote, he was not a evil man, just mentally believed what he was doing was right. A belief so strong all you see is rainbows and butterflies and not the inhumanity of it all. He wasn’t a bad man, but he had very bad men working for him. A soldier is just a solders even if there “Just following orders” i would much rather kill myself then take a life of another in cold blood, many cold men walked out alive and free… Read more »

    Cargen
    Member

    ***Intentions***

    nyoki
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    He had more than just “bad men” working for him. Who do you think hired those bad men? He was evil; he didn’t care about humanity…ever. When people become statistics you can do anything to them. They become irrelevant. He “believed” the shit he spouted,; it originated w/ him. He told his people to do those bad things and most of them didn’t just follow orders, they relished in brutality and the simplicity of it all. They though what they were doing was not only good, but beautiful. They took pictures of themselves having parties in the middle of the… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
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    Ok Nyoki are you serious about bush being like hitler? Last Time i checked Muslims in the USA and across the world are not being taken en masse to prison/work camps and exterminated for the purpose of benefiting the Aryan race. In fact if that was the case then the whole town of Dearborn michigan should be vacant and up for sale.

    FlyingMantisShrimp
    Member

    Really? Bush = Hitler? Wow.

    nyoki
    Member

    I never said Bush is our equivalent to Hitler. What I’m saying is that we’re not safe from people like Hitler just because… It can happen again, so smoothly that it might go unnoticed. Let me say this again: I am not equating Bush to Hitler. In a sense your response to me illustrates my point. These are not simple questions and do not deserve simple answers. We have done things as a nation that require people to be outraged enough to stop it. There’s a reason we’ve given land back to Native Americans and are recompensing Japanese-Americans for our… Read more »

    howsyoursister
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    @thelotuseater725

    Question 1: How many Muslims are in Guantanamo Bay for no reason other than paranoia?

    Question 2: How long have they been there with no legal recourse because the Bush Administration says they have none?

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    Remember, the Allies really didn’t know about the Holocaust until after the war. The original reason Hitler was a “bad guy” was for unilaterally invaded other countries. Does that seem more familiar?

    TheLotusEater725
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    @ nyoki. Well when a person begins speaking out against a political leader in a commnt box for a picture of hitler i can’t help but get the feeling that one is equating said leader to hitler. But still, right after you speak about what hitler did you say “What Bush has been doing should have sounded the alarm bells of every one in this nation and I worry that it didn’t and i’m ashamed of it too.” The part with “sounding the alarm bells is what caught my eye, because int he context you put it in it seems… Read more »

    nyoki
    Member

    @thelotuseater725
    You’re right. When I write in post-like fashion, it does seem to be an abrupt segue. It is difficult for me to try and pare down what I want to say in anything less than 20 pages. So, when I do, feel free to call me on it. Just please remember that what ever I am saying is probably more nuanced and thought out than would appear on first read. Thanx.

    TheLotusEater725
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    @reboot. Yeah, we are really unilateraly invading the world… @howsyoursister. Ok… AS far as a number of detainees there are 750 250 of which had been released to their native country pulling it down to about 500 detainees. Now there are 1,000,000,000 followers of the Islamic faith 20% of whom are actual arabs so about 200,000,000 arabs in total. Now lets look at the number of jews detained during the holocaust. in Dachau there were In total over 200,000 prisoners from more than 30 countries. In Auschwitz 1.1 million Jewish deaths and 140,000-150,000 ethnic Polish victims, along with 23,000 Roma… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
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    @ nyoki.
    Understood.

    I must say, your ability to recognize your own fault ( when it is debatable whether it is there or not)is too rare of a quality these days. Cheers mate.

    Wyvern
    Member

    Well, My Confined Space has to come down now, Godwin’s Law.

    MacheteJak
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    My original post was in disgust of the “Look Hitler, time to bring up W” crap, which is unfounded. And I mostly agree with nyoki, and ^theloutseater’s comment about nyoki.

    TheLotusEater725
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    It really is disgusting to equate the merciless deaths of millions of people based on nothing but racism and the need for a scapegoat to a relatively tame war. i know the whole iraq war and war on terrorism is far from pretty but it pales in comparison to the holocaust.n It’s even more disgusting to equate george bush OUR FUCKING PRESIDENT to hitler. Whether you like him or not it is insulting to insinuate that he is like hitler because if that is true that he is like hitler then you are convicting nearly the whole country and countless… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    Good and evil are not issues of magnitude. Jeffrey Dahmer is just as evil for killing 17 people as Hilter is for killing millions. Holding 300 people without a trial is just as back as sending millions to the gulag.

    asdf
    Member

    gods and beasts and those pesky things in-between…

    nyoki
    Member

    I was trying to make too many points at once. My concern about Bush is not that he may be the next Hitler. My concern is that a significant number of the US population really don’t see that we are skirting some nasty behavior by our current administration. I’m concerned that this may be the (perhaps unintentional)set-up for something we’re not going to like 50 years from now and leave us wondering how it happened. Wondering when we gave up civil liberties for a false sense of security. Wondering when we allowed the gov’t to arrest, detain and not-charge citizens… Read more »

    AgZed
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    “Remember, the Allies really didn’t know about the Holocaust until after the war.” That’s not entirely true. It was farily common knowledge that the Nazis were killing Jews and other “undesireables”. The Germans were efficent, but not perfect; many Jews escaped camps, or fled before capture and made it to America where they could tell the world what was happening. The thing is, nobody particularily cared. Anti-Semetism was rife in America (and most of the West) back then, and no one had any idea of the scale of the thing. So to say the US didn’t know until after the… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    AgZed, you’re totally right, I was generalizing. My point being, Hilter would have been considered evil regardless of the Holocaust. So all the people who are saying “Bush is not like Hilter because he hasn’t killed any Jews” are fighting a strawman.

    Ronwe
    Member

    Now here’s a man who understood that CHR does have it’s uses and isn’t necessarily a dump stat.

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    Ok reboot so what you are saying is that bush is like hitler because he has invaded countries? Am i correct in saying that? That sounds pretty fucking retarded.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    @thelotuseater725
    How many countries do you have to invade before its “evil”? Do you get a freebie? First country you invade doesn’t count.
    Try coming up with a consistent set of morals by which Hitler is a “bad” guy, but Bush isn’t. Something like: Invading a country is wrong under theses circumstances…, but ok under these circumstances…

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    There are just reasons to go to battle. For example undoing a tyrannical regime like the al-quaeda network or Taking down a man who was seeking to rebuild the babylonian empire. While it is true no WMDS were found and the war was fought under supposed” false pretenses” we unearthed far more horrible things than WMDS or terrorist links. Hussein was in the midst of genocide and a megalomaniacal pursuit of reestablishing the Babylonian empire. I am sorry reboot but i respectfully disagree. While invading and striking war leaves terror and death in its wake. By your logic then the… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    Clearly there are wars that are justified and wars that are wrong, correct? We agree? Or are you saying that every war is ok because “Fighting is as old as man”(aside: so was slavery)? So come up with a list of universally applicable guidelines that will distinguish just wars from unjust wars. Here’s one suggestion: 1)A war is justified if a country has attacked your country, has attacked a country that has a democratically elected government or willfully harbors an organization that has done do. See how that guideline justifies FDR entering WWII, justifies the invasion of Afghanistan, but condemns… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    Alrite perhaps i misunderstood you at some point but i do agree with you when you say “Clearly there are wars that are justified and wars that are wrong, correct?” As far as my comment regarding ancient man and whatnot that was merely to give insight to my reasoning why i do not view war as such a shocking and horrible thing, but i can see how you think i may have viewed all wars as being just. Now for that list. 1)A war is justified if a country has attacked your country, has attacked a country that has a… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    Also, why in the fuck are we intelligently and calmly discussing matters of politics? This is the internet god damn it !

    FUCK YOU HIPPIE.

    Ahh, better.

    FlyingMantisShrimp
    Member

    Iraq actually was considered a state sponsor of terrorism well before this war and the last one.

    www.cfr.org/publication/9513/#6

    storminator
    Member

    Bush is like Hitler inasmuch as they were both world leaders who took their nations to war. That’s about it.

    I do think that the people we attack are making more connections between the two, however.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    See now we’re getting somewhere. We agree on #1 and #2, but #3 has an additional problem of being entirely subjective. So now you need criteria to judge a threat. Iraq, at its peak, couldn’t win a war with Iran with our help. Israel is the only democratic ally in the area and I pretty sure that Iraq wasn’t a threat to them. And don’t bring up 9/11. Al-Qaeda HATED Saddam. Most of the hijackers were from Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Why didn’t we invade one of those countries? If you don’t have any factual sources, then yeah, I don’t… Read more »

    AgZed
    Member

    reboot: I figured you were generalizing, but I wouldn’t be a pedantic douchebag if I didn’t at least dabble in the occassional bout of pedantic douchebaggery. Though if it weren’t for the Holocaust, I’m not sure we’d consider Hitler evil, per se. Franz Joseph isn’t generally regarded as evil, even though it was his declaration of war on Serbia that kicked off WWI. That being said, the parallels between Bush & Hitler beyond both being leaders who took their countries to war. Using such oversimplification, one could compare Hitler to FDR. Both enacted laws that curbed the freedoms of their… Read more »

    MacheteJak
    Member

    It’s clear to me that people on the net will never see reason, so let’s just change the subject.

    . . .

    Hitler’s mustache looks stupid.

    FlyingMantisShrimp
    Member

    Sorry. I didn’t mean to bring up 9-11, as I agree with you in that there is no real connection between Saddam and that event. I was mostly pointing out the rest of the information within that link, such as the references to the ANO, and MEK. As for the whole deal with Iraq, I believe that an intervention there was necessary in regards to their country being one connected with multiple, terrorist organizations. This stems from my belief that the U.S. and its allies NEED to be willing to go to any corner of the Earth that provides any… Read more »

    nyoki
    Member

    Are the 3 reasons listed above justifications for war or reasons for war? I ask because I wonder if we should go to war because of the genocide in Darfur, Sudan or if we must. If the answer is neither, how do we decide?

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @ reboot Iraq would pose a threat as would the other nations in the region to israel if they banded together in their hate. They are able to get weapons from countries such as Russia ( who is our equivalent as far as nuclear technology goes) or North Korea plus the countries own independent nuclear reasearch and development. The likelyhood of a full out strike against israel is small since the US would intervene or aid Now israel attacking other nations is a whole other issue. Israel will attack iran depending on their upcoming presidents influence by the current Ayatollah.… Read more »

    FlyingMantisShrimp
    Member

    Out of curiosity, Lotus, what exactly is it that you do?

    mop123
    Member

    make sure your history is correct people!!!

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    I’m involved in some government stuff. I advise members of our congress from time to time on minor domestic issues. Sometimes they ask me about foreign stuff but It’s not really secret. My dad on the other hand… all i can say is that he is very important and that you will never hear of him because of his importance.Basically i stick to the local level and deal with public information.

    Gary Generic
    Member
    Gary Generic

    Has no one mentioned the fact that Hitler only had one testicle?

    Fun fact!

    Goldfinger
    Member

    Yeah, and the other day, Hitler flew around the moon on a cannonball.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    @lotuseater625
    That’s one of the most full of shit claims I’ve ever heard. Seriously.
    In this thread you admit that you’re a sophomore in college on hiatus(ie drop-out). Why the fuck would anyone from congress be asking advice for someone who doesn’t even have a cisco certificate yet?
    Thanks for the good laugh anyway.

    Stolid
    Member

    tl;dr

    MonkeyHitman
    Member

    too much opinions, too little facts. much can i say is – power has it genuine way to control yourself. – without further notice things seems like most has been planned.. european union .. north and south american union. (bush has been putting his nose in other wars with nothing to do with the american nation. the ongoing war with Guerilla’s vs. the Colombian government. – you guys see all in this WII but you asked yourself “Why” the Allies involved themself in the World War 2 ? predicted awnsers: #1: saw them in trouble and wanted to provide amnesty.… Read more »

    MonkeyHitman
    Member

    EDIT: for example we know for fact that we will die if we dont have oxygen. its always there but about “certain events which acurd in WWII it happend already and its not in our time so we really dont know if its true or not.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    @MonkeyHitman
    You need to learn something about sentence and paragraph structure. You have points there, but they’re buried under rambling incoherence.
    1)Great Britain took South Africa from the Dutch long, long before WWII. Starting when the Dutch East India Company went bankrupt and finishing off with the Boer Wars.
    2) Different countries were involved in WWII for different reasons. Most because they were invaded/bombed and didn’t have a choice. Some were probably out of genuine goodwill (Canada).
    The US involved was probable some combination of goodwill, imperialistic ambitions (particularly in Asia) and competition with the Soviet Union.

    Sikras
    Member

    Long comment list is looooong.

    Seriously, if a picture of Hitler demands this much attention, what happens if we get a picture of Jesus, Hitler, and Big Bird holding hands dancing down a yellow brick road?

    Note to self: Make said picture, post here.

    MonkeyHitman
    Member

    @reboot
    sure do, but really you takin notes of how bad my structure is but you cannot read when i post in brackets ” for example (i dont know them by heart)” but you seem to pass that piece.
    yea im just sayin my opinion based on what ive seen or read… im not sayin its true.

    Thrella
    Member
    Thrella

    Hitler and Bush are nothing alike and the fact you even dare compare them just proves your paranoia and your ignorance, and your will to hate and to demonize someone who has been, if at best average, at least trying.

    Essentially we blame the guy for everything even though the finger is never pointed at the real culprits.

    Goldfinger
    Member

    @reboot
    And most important of all: The US were involved in WWII (in Europe) because Germany declared war on them on Dec 11th, 1941.

    MonkeyHitman
    Member

    there’s no such thing as good will ^^ unless you get something now or in the long run

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @ reboot. Hey, i told you that you wouldn’t believe me and i am not expecting you to believe me. You want the truth i give it to you. I am not phased one bit by your disbelief since i know that i am telling the truth and i understand that nothing i do or say will convince you of that. So go ahead, call me a liar all you want, i have no need to convince you. I will humor you with answers to your questions. “Why the fuck would anyone from congress be asking advice for someone who… Read more »

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @ thrella,

    Don’t dare bring up the fact that oil/gas prices have risen since the democrats gained control of the house and senate. People forget that the president is only a cog in the machine.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    @thelotuseater725 See that’s believable. Writing letters to congress and getting good replies back is entirely believable (from most members of congress). Heck, me and Harry Reid actually have a running joke going on for a few years. All that talk about black SUVs and “you wouldn’t believe me if I told you” and generally being obtuse is what I was calling BS on. You were making it sound like this was a regular occurrence in your life. Plus if there’s nothing secret or special, you should be able to cite sources. Something like: “On March 12, 2006 I received a… Read more »

    Queensly
    Member

    LOUD NOISES

    TheLotusEater725
    Member

    @reboot. Well not my life per se, but i do get black SUVs and vans at least once a week and all the phones and internet traffic in my house are under 24 hour surveillance. I already said i dealt with civilian shit, but that doesn’t mean i don’t know some stuff, and have seen some incredible . When your dad works as a councilor for top secret and foreign affairs to the US government, you end up inadvertently reading some things not meant for you. As a result of his work i have met some cool people who shared… Read more »

    j_bryon
    Member

    As great as it is to have an intellectually charged political conversation –
    TIKI, If you ever post Hitler again, you are going to be banned from the internets!
    Did you not know the shitstorm of comments you were going to cause?
    🙂 Have a GREAT Day!

    ManTheHarpoons
    Member
    ManTheHarpoons

    I’d vote for zombie hitler

    nyoki
    Member

    @j_bryon
    I thought that was a good thing. Why post nothing but pics that don’t interest more than a couple of people enough to post?

    Wow, that was an awkward sentence.



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