Actually, I kinda agree with Camiams take on the progression of batman. Even the intermediate (and imho sketchy) Batman movies, with the truly excessive camp factor, were still being true to the idea of the original Adam West batman.

Batman Begins is my favorite, second to the original Batman movie, simply because they were perhaps the least concerned with the camp factor, and stuck to the nitty gritty of who The Batman really was.

But even in the truly horrible movies, the Batman has almost always followed the sombre core of his nature, almost regardless of how much the prevailing culture of the time influenced the way he was played.

Now I think the Joker, on the other hand, is another matter altogether. Unlike any of the past Jokers, Heath Ledgers Joker is not even remotely the same as the Jokers of old.

This one seems to be a much darker, much more twisted version that has actually left one of the Jokers primary characteristics behind. His fairly oblivious, childlike and almost endearing levity…