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Toyota Prius

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    TheLotusEater725

    Hybrid cars instill a powerful hatred into me.

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    Bran

    I hate this car but at the same time I’m jealous of the 50+ mpg.

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    hvymetal86

    Its the Pious! Watch out or it’ll generate too much smug!

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    el_metal

    check this out whiteys
    stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/60-toyota-prius/

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    wingnuts

    Can’t stand this car and its supposed green credentials.
    1) There are already more than half a dozen cars being manufactured that produce less co2 and have a higher mpg without the use of a hybrid engine system.
    2) Its dust to dust carbon output (which means from construction to disposal and is the only true measure of a product’s green credentials) is crap; its only manufactured in Japan, which means its nessessary to ship it worldwide by container vessels. You’d be far better off by buying an efficent vehicle manufactured in your own country.
    3) The sulphur used in the electric battery is manufactued at one of the most polluting industrial sites in America; the surrounding land has been completely destroyed by the plant’s pollution and nothing can or ever will grow there.
    This car is just a status symbol, something for the middle class to feel smug and comfortable with their rampant and out of control consumerism. I realise I’m ranting, but some things need to be said.

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    natedog

    the cake is a lie, people.

    www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2007-03/prophet-garbage

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    TrikYodz

    my choir teacher drives this
    she is super righteous about it.
    but then i tell her i ride a bike and she shut up.

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    Phyreblade

    Agreed, the whole hybrid “green” thing is entirely waaay too much hype, and not enough substance. Most folks will not save enough gas over the course of the life of the car to justify it’s added expense. And while they are indeed more fuel efficient, many folks will not get the maximum fuel mileage that is commonly advertised. Add to that the environmental costs of those batteries…
    So, not only is it full of preservatives, artificial sweeteners that are actually poisonous, and artery clogging ingredients… as natedog succinctly put it… The cake is a lie.

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    The Matrix: Rebooted

    Hey wingnuts, if you’re going to trying to provide fact, at least try to back up you’re points with some links. For example you point 3 is complete crap
    www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=417227&in_page_id=1770
    And the shipping cost part of point 2 is ridiculous. Container shipping is something like a few dollars per ton. How do you think Korean cars are cheaper in the first place?
    Hybrids aren’t perfect, but your reasoning is retarded.

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    bankshot

    since reboot has already rebutted wingnuts on point 3 here’s why points 1 and 2 are also wrong.

    1) The Prius has the highest MPG of any standard production gasoline car. Unless you are talking about experimental cars or electric only vehicles like the tesla? www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/bestworst.shtml
    www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/news/2007/04/top-picks-for-2007-4-07/overview/0704_top-picks-2007.htm

    2) the dust to dust report that I think you are referring to has been repeatedly shown to be bogus.

    www.slate.com/id/2186786/
    www.denialism.com/labels/George%20Will.html
    hybridblog.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/08/about_that_cnw_.html
    www.pacinst.org/topics/integrity_of_science/case_studies/hummer_vs_prius.pdf

    phyreblade – it all depends on how and how much you drive. For example: If you drive 13,200 miles/year and get 44 average mpg in a Prius (easy to do without changing how you drive) you will burn 300 gallons/year. If your other car had 22 mpg you’d burn double that so the savings are roughly 300galx$3.75/gal = $1,125/year. Or roughly $90/month, or $10K over 8 years/106K miles, going up with gas prices – substantial but not awe inspiring. If overall price is your main concern you might be better in a Yaris, they have good mileage and retail about $9K cheaper.

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    tiki god

    So are you guys saying that my F150 SuperCrew that gets 15MPG might not be as awesome as a prius?

    My question is : can I have a sound system in a prius? Cause I gotta have mah bass ya’ll

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    Phyreblade


    Agreed, in fact, the Yaris thing is exactly my point. If it’s all about saving money, The Yaris is a better long term investment. Assuming you aren’t a leadfoot. Then nothing can save you.

    And there is still the battery issue. These cars are only green IF the batteries are properly disposed of or recycled after use, as they take up a much greater percentage of the constriction components in hybrid vehicles, and their components have a greater negative environmental impact than that of regular steel…

    And I’m not sure if I’m ready to trust that the auto industry has that all taken care of…

    @tiki god
    An F150 SuperCrew will always be more awesome than a Prius… It will just drinks gas like free beer while doing so.
    And there is no such thing as a car that is incapable of having a sound system. It would simply be a four wheeled abomination. Cause you ain’t drivin’ ‘less your bass is boomin’…

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    Excelsior

    Not gas, but Volkswagen TDI line cars get 42MPG, not hybrid

    FYI- take the “hybrid” bits out of a Prius, and it gets better mileage.

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