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    LordPartyTime
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    I know this is true. How? Because I was THERE. Yup, thats right. In the middle. It’s true, all of it.

    natedog
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    Don’t forget Tower 7

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    The World Trade Center was constructed from 1966-1973. The first man on the moon was July 20, 1969. The last man to walk on the moon was on December 11, 1971.
    Conclusion: the WTC was the location of the hidden studio that faked the moon landing and was destroyed because the conspiracy theorists were getting to close to the truth. Iraq is just a cover story, a conspiracy to hide the conspiracy. Gentlemen: we are through the looking glass…

    Alfalfasprouts
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    Alfalfasprouts

    We actually live in a computer generated reality… our real bodies are being used by robots as slaves…

    schulzbrianr
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    THAT JUST MEANS THEY WERE IN ON THE CONSPIRACY!!!

    Nimoy
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    I have a conspiracy in my pants. I have a feeling I’ll be releasing it to the public soon enough.
    It’s not quite a jumbo jet. But it is pretty close to a tower.

    TokenWGuy
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    10. ????
    11. Profit!

    benny
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    benny

    Hmm.. Comic got it wrong. They really did crash the fully loaded people into the building. Saddam would NEVER sell Bush the oil, he was pissed they were stealing it out of Kuwait…….and forgot to mention…..

    FACT: War is the single largest contributor to the American economy.

    tiki god
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    @reboot

    you win.

    natedog
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    @ Diabetus: um, hello? those repeaters, er, reporters, did not say it was going to fall, they said it HAD ALREADY fallen. the BBC footage was a half hour early. www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s Larry Silverstien (the leaseholder of the WTC Complex, who made $6billion off 9/11) was interviewed in 2002 saying he gave to OK to bring the tower down. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100 The 47 Story STEEL framed tower fell in 6 seconds into a neat little pile just 7 hours after the other 2 towers collapsed. Here is a clip showing it falling in case anyone has not actually seen this tower fall:… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    you have a two sec clip where the leaseholder of the building said “pull it”. If you look at some of the other clips that are on your own link, you’ll see that “pull it” probably means use cables to control the fall.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uxlrcQL5Dk&feature=related
    I have a 56-page report from NIST showing it was a structural collapse from damage. So unless you are a qualified structural engineer who can find flaws in that report, STFU.

    Caio
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    Do you know what my problem is with the lose change explosion thing? All the examples they show of controlled demolitions are of buildings that are wider than they are tall or smaller apartment buildings, which WTCs clearly are not either. Find me some control videos of actual tall skyscrapers in a demolition and I’ll put some faith in that shit.

    natedog
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    @Caio: i never said anything about Loose Change @ Reboot: the 2 second clip is not about Larry Silverstien. it is a close up of WTC7. the Silverstien clip is 24 seconds long. and your explanation for ‘pull it’ is retarded. where are these cables that you speak of being used on Tower7? that video you linked to is about Tower6, after it had fallen, and was only 8 stories of rubble. Cables were NOT used on Tower7. and certianly NOT by the Fire Department like Silverstien says in the interview. also, i read the 56 page NIST report you… Read more »

    Caio
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    Oh, I wasn’t reading your posts, I’m just speaking generally here. I *really* want to see a skyscraper demolished. It would be awesome, and without the feeling of guilt associated with enjoying the death of thousands of people.

    vygramul
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    @natedog:

    “and your explanation for ‘pull it’ is retarded. where are these cables that you speak of being used on Tower7? ”

    That’s the point. ‘Pull it’ is not an industry term for explosive demolition of a building:

    www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.implosionworld.com%2FArticle-WTC%2520STUDY%25208-06%2520w%2520clarif%2520as%2520of%25209-8-06%2520.pdf&ei=CNSxR5LhOqSAigHSx5zLDg&usg=AFQjCNFFfgFVm_7mMB-mGLS4OM6lRft0_A&sig2=5DPRTKzUlgqjf2Zy5X9ZCw

    As a result, Silverstien was referring to some other “it”. Like, and I’m just spitballing here, the firefighting effort.

    7footJesus
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    Good effort natedog, but it’s really not worth it. Spend your energy elsewhere and give up on convincing people on internet forums who have already closed their minds.

    Caio
    Member

    If you don’t accept the clear PROOF given here:

    www.timecube.com/

    …your mind is clearly closed. What was that logical maxim? Of all competing theories, the burden of proof rests on those I disagree with?

    natedog
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    Silverstein Quote: “I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, “We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.” And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.” “Pull it” can not refer to the firefighting team. according to the FEMA report, page 5-23 of Chapter 5, the “manual firefighting efforts were stopped fairly early in the day” the next page goes on to mention that “The… Read more »

    natedog
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    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    And yet you haven’t provided a better explanation. The clip I linked clearly shows several people using the phrase “pull it” it terms of pulling it down with cables. The most likely explanation for the Silverstein quote is the that Silverstein is a glorified landlord who doesn’t know wtf he is talking about. Or maybe he meant “pull it down with cables”, but the building collapsed on its own before they could do that. Simple explanations are the most likely to be true. Why bother linking to FEMA if they were in on the conspiracy anyway? Why bother trusting 8-10%… Read more »

    vygramul
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    @natedog: What we are trying to explain to you is that “pull it” has a very narrow definition in the demolition industry, and that definition does not include explosive demolition. If I may draw an analogy, it’s like Diabetus posting a picture of a penguin and saying, “See, THIS is a penguin,” and you saying, “look, I didn’t see any of those at the Safari I went to in Namibia, so your explanation is retarded.” Protec says it’s not a term for explosive demolition. The PBS documentary ONLY uses it in the context of pulling a building down with cables.… Read more »

    chrisweuve
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    And to add to what Vygramul had to say — yeah, there are some questions around the margins about why particular things happened the way they did. That’s for a number of reasons: 1) It was literally an unprecedented event. (Strangely, we didn’t have a lot of data on what happens when a 110-story skyscraper gets hit by airplanes and falls to the ground.) Any model — which is at best an approximation of reality anyway — is therefore likely to have minor inaccuracies. 2) Emotions were running high that day, and some of the best witnesses regarding the details… Read more »

    natedog
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    @chrisweuve: “all common sense and evidence indicates otherwise” i call bullshit. “all” the evidence does NOT indicate otherwise. 271 9/11 Smoking Guns pulled from the Mainstream Media: killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As to not having “a lot of data on what happens when a 110-story skyscraper gets hit by airplanes” I suggest you look at the Empire State Building. Empire State Building: 1,250 feet/102 stories tall, built in 1931 1 WTC: 1368 feet/110 stories tall, built in 1972 2 WTC: 1362 feet/110 stories tall, built in 1973 The difference is about 100 feet and 8 stories, well within the realm of comparability.… Read more »

    tiki god
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    @natedog
    the only problem being that in those 4 decades of technological advancement, they decided that a thin exo skeletal structure would be better then a internal support structure. Ultimately it was the design of the building that brought down the towers, combined with the obvious heat from the fires.

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    tiki is right, the Twin Towers were framed tube structures. Very, very different from the Empire State Building.

    tiki god
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    lol @ framed tube structures. sounds like you’re describing macaroni art.

    natedog
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    Tiki, is that what happened to WTC7? a ‘thin’ exo-skeleton? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wtc#Design_innovations “The core supported the weight of the entire building and the outer shell containing 240 vertical steel columns called around the outside of the building, which were bound to each other using ordinary steel trusses. In addition, 10,000 dampers were included in the structure.” infowars.net/articles/march2007/280307blueprints.htm “Within each trade tower there were 47 steel columns at the core and 240 perimeter steel beams. 287 steel-columns in total. According to the official story, random spread out fires on different floors caused all these columns to totally collapse at the same time… Read more »

    natedog
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    “all common sense and evidence indicates otherwise”, MY ASS

    natedog
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    Conservation of Momentum FTW

    schulzbrianr
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    “and what about the 9/11 families that think the official story is bullshit?”
    I’m sure they’re all trained in building construction, and demolition, and aren’t being puppeteered by nutjobs like you exploiting their emotions for TV sensationalism.

    schulzbrianr
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    Also:
    “Professor Steven Jones points out that the total annihilation of the building, core columns and all, defies the laws of physics unless it was artificially exploded”
    So, Professor Steven Jones says that artificial explosions CAN defy the laws of phsyics?

    schulzbrianr
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    i call bullshit. “all” the evidence does NOT indicate otherwise.
    All the EVIDENCE does, what nutjobs and psychos cull together to support their ridiculous claims isn’t evidence, it’s a lack of evidence that they think suggests some massive conspiracy. So which is it, is President Bush a bumbling simpleton who can’t even give a speech without clusterfucking the English Language, or is he a brilliant military mastermind?

    natedog
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    schulz, learn to read and comprehend someone’s posts before commenting, please. #32: you counldnt even name one of the family members, let alone know what their respective careers or areas of expertise are. #33: the annihilation defies the laws of physics UNLESS it was artificially exploded. #34: I have put forth several evidences that the official story is bullshit. just because you ignore them does not mean they aren’t real. i mean, really. Conservation of Momentum? Tower 7 and its average debris field radius? News reports that jumped the gun? The Leaseholder who made BILLIONS? The obvious demolition wave? Comparison… Read more »

    schulzbrianr
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    #32: you counldnt even name one of the family members, let alone know what their respective careers or areas of expertise are.
    No, I couldn’t, except for Cindy Sheehan. Which is more than I want/need to know.
    #33: the annihilation defies the laws of physics UNLESS it was artificially exploded.
    Yeah, no shit. Good catch.
    #34: Rule 34?

    natedog
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    #32: geez, man! get it right! Cindy Sheehan has nothing to do with 9/11, except that her son died in action in Iraq. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_sheehan “Cindy Lee Miller Sheehan (born July 10, 1957) is an American anti-war activist, whose son, Casey, was killed during his service in the Iraq War on April 4, 2004. She attracted international attention in August 2005 for her extended demonstration at a camp outside President George W. Bush’s Texas ranch garnering her both support and criticism. In May 2007, Sheehan officially ended her involvement as an anti-war activist.” and you’re so right. that bitch dared to… Read more »

    schulzbrianr
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    Well, at least I didn’t have to read a college thesis this time.

    natedog
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    sorry to test your mad reading skills.

    schulzbrianr
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    It’s not my reading skills, it’s the fact that I’m forced to read some extremely long diatribe from someone who clearly has no grasp on reality, but chooses to hold onto some fleeting hope that, what, I’m not even sure what the end result of 9/11 truthers want. Do they want the government to admit they blew up the twin towers so that we could go to war? Not gonna happen, even if it’s true (and it’s not). Or perhaps…I don’t get it. I like reading, but I prefer fiction, because it’s 1) less controversial, and thus less likely to… Read more »

    natedog
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    this is not a pissing match!

    this is pillaging and murder at taxpayers expense.

    as for the end result of the Truth Movement, refer to Article II, Section 4 of the United States Constitution:

    “The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”

    natedog
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    i mean, it’s not as bad as a blow job in the oval office, but still…

    Caio
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    I can’t believe how hard it is for you Yanks to get rid of your execs. In most parliamentary systems it’s so easy it can happen by accident.
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    This thread has totally lost my interest till it reaches the 69th post, which I’ll try grabbing, and then giggle myself silly like a little girl. Then I’ll let you people nutjob it some more till, say, 100?
    .
    just lttn u no, cheers till then

    schulzbrianr
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    Considering this is an internet argument, yes, pissing match applies. Neither of us (well me for sure, I’m only assuming you) has any direct effect on the government, and, even if 9/11 truthers manage to convince EVERYONE that 9/11 was a conspiracy, how do we go about changing the world with that knowledge? Also, I know this is going to spark another long-winded response, but, how does the president commit treason? Threaten suicide? High crimes seems like another thing that could be a bit iffy in the wording. That’s like my mom saying “don’t do anything bad.” Sort of a… Read more »

    schulzbrianr
    Member

    Caio:
    Yeah, fucking checks and balances and shit. Like that Louisiana guy who had like $90k in his freezer? Wtf, uhhh, that sounds totally legit, move along.
    Anyway, I’m not 100% thrilled with the government, but it’s far better than a lot of them out there. As long as government = power, then government will also = corruption. None of them will ever be perfect.

    chrisweuve
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    Natedog, you’ve proved my point — you’d have to be delusional to equate a B-25 (max weight 21 tons) moving at 230 mph with a Boeing 767 (max weight 197 tons) moving at 500 mph. A B-25 is a tiny, slow airplane, with half the range of a 767.

    But he, don’t let rationality get in the way of a good screed…

    vygramul
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    @Chris:

    What, and order of magnitude heavier aircraft matters? Is that what you’re saying? I want to be sure I understand. You’re trying to say, with a straight face, that having the equivalent of NINE B-25’s hit the WTC at twice the airspeed would actually mean MORE damage was done?

    Clearly, you have bought into BushCo if you believe that.

    chrisweuve
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    @vygramul As a matter of fact, it’s far more than the equivalent of nine B-25s, because the kinetic energy calculation squares the velocity. It’s more like FORTY times the Ke. ( “More like” means that this is approximate, because it depends on a variety of variables — e.g., the actual aircraft velocity — not fully defined.) And that’s just kinetic energy from the impact — it doesn’t include the energy contained in the burning fuel. And none of this accounts for differences in target construction. Like I said earlier — people who actually KNOW anything about the subject are not… Read more »

    natedog
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    so what about the whole conservation of momentum thing and the path of most resistance and all that rot?

    why don’t you compare pics/video of a pancake collapse to Ground Zero?

    and you guys really need to take Bush’s dick out of your mouths before you lose your hemisphere

    tiki god
    Admin

    pancake collapse? did you even see the pile from after the fall?

    vygramul
    Member

    @tiki god:
    Let’s not confuse the issues with the facts.

    natedog
    Member

    no, i’ve never seen any pics or footage of the collapse.

    link to some images of Ground Zero that resembles a pancake collapse, please.

    chrisweuve
    Member

    I think Natedog is making the argument that, because it was a pancake collapse (at least, when the collapse of the upper stories were viewed from a distance), the pile on the ground should be a nice, neat stack, like a set of dinner plates. Never mind that the only reason to think this is due to a set of dramatic assumptions based on fundamental ignorance of physics and a disadvantageous view of the event.

    I still like my idea about the conspiracy of anti-conspiracy nuts. (Notive how cleverly he has deflected the conversation away from that theory…)

    vygramul
    Member

    “no, i’ve never seen any pics or footage of the collapse.”
    So, what you’re saying, is that with no direct knowledge of what happened you feel qualified to diagnose the cause?
    I think that’s just about all we need to know. We’re done.

    rattybad
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    All I care about is the creator spelled seize wrong in the 8th panel. Friggin’ moron.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    Holy shit. . Even if it was blowed up and you lot are right…who cares? Nothing will change. I kind of wish Bush would get on TV and be like..”yup I blew that fucker up har har. You don’t like it? So? Fuckoff. What you think don’t matter nothin to noone.” . Because he’d be right and his days would probably just be easier from here on in. . Whoever made Loose Change or Zeigiest or any of those other wastes of time gas redefined loser. They’re no better than the guy on the highway with the ‘Jesus is Coming’… Read more »

    natedog
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    @#54: vygramul, that was sarcasm. sorry i didnt use my sarcasm font. of course i have seen the fucking pile of rubble left after the towers collapsed. but still, no one has posted any links to 9/11 pics that even remotely resemble a pancake collapse (which usually happen during earthquakes). here are some images of pancake collapses. note that these are NOT from 9/11: www.restoringearth.co.uk/education/science/geography/geohazards/earthquake/building_failure/pw3.shtm @#56: “Even if it was blowed up and you lot are right…who cares?” fuck you, magnus. plenty of people care. @#23, #26, #34, and especially the last line of #12: www.ae911truth.org/ “Welcome to Architects &… Read more »

    natedog
    Member

    at least they are “preachy, crazy, overly opinionated rags of douche” with degrees.

    and careers.

    tiki god
    Admin

    @natedog

    so you’ve seen the destruction after 9-11, and we can agree that it looked nothing like a pancake collapse?

    Lorfmachine
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    @natedog
    u must be the biggest fuckin moron in the world. are u really comparing the images u linked to of some 20 foot buildings with the WTCs? And come on, a B-25 is like a mosquito compared to the 767 which in this case would be a seagull.
    I’d say u’ve lost this pissing contest to shulzbrianr.

    Caio
    Member

    I dunno Love Shack was a pretty good song.

    natedog
    Member

    tiki, i never said it was a pancake collapse. the official story is (or has been) that a progressive collapse, also known as a pancake collapse, is what happened when the twin towers disintegrated. i totally disagree thatWTC1 or WTC2 were pancake collapses. i do and always have contended that the 3 towers at ground zero fell because of controlled demolition. post #49 was me saying that 9/11 was nothing like a pancake collapse; and i linked to those pics in #57 because ground zero looked nothing like a pancake collapse before they carted away the steel to sell it… Read more »

    natedog
    Member

    and please, pay no attention to the hundreds of architects and engineers who know 9/11 was an attack on America by domestic enemies.

    i mean, what could they possibly know about buildings?

    vygramul
    Member

    I prefer to pay attention to the THOUSANDS of architects and engineers who know 9/11 was what the government says it was. In fact, one architect was in the second building, working on the 80th floor. She was 72 at the time, and when the first building was hit, she said, “that’s coming down,” and started making her way down to the street. Being 72, it took her some time to get there. In fact, she was still on about the 20th floor when her building was hit. She made it out, thank God. Bottom line: an architect with her… Read more »

    Alec Dalek
    Member

    Go to sleep little Yankees. Big Brother will take care of everything for you. Stay scared and pay your taxes, and keep watching TV News.

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
    Member

    @58
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    You’re listing those why? It makes them no less crazy or douches. Or wrong.
    .
    Americans love to hate their own government. Makes them feel special. Be thankful you live in a country where you’re allowed to. In some natedog would be buried up to his neck right now with rocks being thrown at his head.

    tiki god
    Admin

    @natedog I think you’d be hard pressed to find any official governmental agency that had anything to do with the clean up or post event investigation that claimed it was a standard pancaking of the floors that caused the ultimate destruction of the building. You’ve bought into a story, and sadly the only way for you to be convinced otherwise is by accepting that you could have been possibly wrong. You’re repeating some paranoid crazy bullshit that’s been pulled out of some idiot’s ass, and seem to believe someone else’s opinion than believe your own eyes. There’s plenty of material… Read more »

    Lorfmachine
    Member

    It’s ok to be paranoid, but a good shrink might help you out of your misery nate.

    Caio
    Member

    Snag for win?

    Caio
    Member

    Snag for the win! Fucking a the prophecy is complete!

    The Matrix: Rebooted
    Member

    Let’s keep this thread going! I want a chance to snag 420.

    Lorfmachine
    Member

    If we’re gonna keep this thread going, we’ll have to force ourselves reading more of natedog’s ridicoulus conspiracy “facts”.
    I’d rather play russian roulette.

    natedog
    Member

    tin foil hat? the things i mentioned in this thread: i made mention of a 3rd tower that fell on 9-11 that most people dont know about i brought up a video interview of the WTC leaseowner saying ‘pull it’, which people said referred to the firefighting team (which all had been pulled earlier in the day) or a totally different building (tower 6). i brought up the fact that several news agencies reported a half hour early that WTC7 was going to fall. i guess that was just a big coincidence. i brought up a FEMA report i brought… Read more »

    natedog
    Member

    THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS, MOTHERFUCKERS

    /pissmatch



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