Comments on: Atheist Pamphlet

By: Smedlorificus

Smedlorificus — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:12:23 +0000

Hooray for shellshock!

By: AlecDalek

AlecDalek — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:43:01 +0000

The problem with hitler wasn’t that he was crazy. It was that he started out sane, but slowly, gradually, went crazy.

By: Goldfinger

Goldfinger — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:24:11 +0000

The guy didn’t only have racial issues anyway. The guy was crackers. What’s important is the political use he and his “inner circle” put to the common racism, revanchism, nationalism and anti-semitism in germany at that time. There were many jews who were ignored by faking their papers, for example Richard Strauss (jr.) who had a jewish grandfather and was a jew according to the Nuremberg laws. But he also was one of the most popular componists at the time so they just made him aryan. And he’s only one of many many examples. The Third Reich and what happened back then is everything but easy to explain.

By: Smedlorificus

Smedlorificus — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:53:47 +0000

@Goldfinger: while said essay does not influence your opinion about Jews significantly, it possibly did strengthen Hitler’s opinon. Of course it was mostly his social background that influenced him, but it may have turned him from a racist bastard into a bigger racist bastard. Apparently, according to that somewhat spurious psychiatric report the Americans did on him, he thought all Jews had syphallis. I must read Mein Kampf at some point, to see what he really thought about stuff. Apparently Esperanto was part of the Zionist conspiracy to rule us all.

By: Smedlorificus

Smedlorificus — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:34:47 +0000

It could be cool if there was a nice God. One who was beneficial in a lazy sort of way, but who made his presence felt in a more obvious way. I want mountain ranges in the shape of His signature, dammit!

By: AlecDalek

AlecDalek — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:34:13 +0000

I don’t think you can prove there is a god, but I also think you can’t prove there isn’t. Personally, I think it would be awesome if there really was a god. But so far all the “holy” books supposedly written by god, have disappointed. Too many obvious mistakes and biases. If god does exist, I think they’d be much more impressed by someone trying to determine if they really exist than by blind, unquestioning faith. We have brains, so why not use them?

By: knogoodidleft

knogoodidleft — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:39:40 +0000

heh, reading it now I sounded angry, prob cause I blew a subwoofer today

Any who I got bored and went searching for a new movie to watch, and the damn tokyo drift stopped at 20mins and then i found this : http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=20689

only 20 mins in now, so far its okay I guess, I’m digging the soundtrack too.
If you got an hour check it out.

By: knogoodidleft

knogoodidleft — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:17:10 +0000

Well If there is a god…who cares? do you know how long humans have been on earth? some scientists say 1.7 MILLION times earth went around our weak sauce excuse for a sun 365.26 times. <—holy fuck, dinosaurs have been estimated to lived on earth for 160+ million years, and then some scientist guesstimate the earth is 4.5 BILLION years old. (and I don’t give a fuck what anybody says, we don’t and will never know how old the earth truly is)

My point is… If there is a god, we would be a bat of an eyelash (assuming god has a human semblance) to god.

go pray to your god. best scenario is you get a game like “+1 LIFE” blip above your head that makes some dinging sound and you live forever in the clouds, or wherever the fuck you go. Ever hear the saying that anything this good must be a scam? In my life experiences this saying is true

By: Goldfinger

Goldfinger — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:48:51 +0000

Read a good book about Hitler. As a historian, I recommend the biography by Joachim Fest. Read about his motivation and arguments. You will see that he never argued as a christian. His reasons are representative for the European anti-semitism in the 19th and 20th century, because that is what mainly influenced him.

@smedlorificus:
I know that essay. And while it may have influenced Hitler, it does not influence my opinion about Jews. For I come from a completely different social background. Hitler already had an anti-semitic predisposition caused by his social background in Vienna, Munich and WWI. Fertile ground, btw, for such things as the stab-in-the-back legend.

By: Smedlorificus

Smedlorificus — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:24:58 +0000

Because they lend money, and you owe them a punitive amount of interest?

By: AlecDalek

AlecDalek — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:22:04 +0000

I’m making no sense? When did I say ML invented anything, other than the protestant movement. So I ask again, if you’re not christian, what possible reason would you have to hate the jews?

By: Smedlorificus

Smedlorificus — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:21:33 +0000

Though Martin Luther did not invent antisemitism, many believe that Hitler was influenced by Martin Luther’s essay, “On the Jews and their Lies”. Of course, one book alone didn’t make him into a genocidal lunatic, but it still had an affect on him.

By: Goldfinger

Goldfinger — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:15:13 +0000

@AlecDalek:
You’re making no sense. Period. Go read a history book. Of course Hitler and Luther both spoke (and wrote) german, but Luther DID NOT INVENT ANTI-SEMITISM!!! Following your line of argument, Hitler got his anti-semitism from the apostle Paul!
And for the last time: Anti-semitism is not a matter of religion. Those people are not anti-jews, they’re anti-semitists. Go figure.

By: Smedlorificus

Smedlorificus — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:13:13 +0000

TrikYodz, please do not turn this pleasantly warm debate into a flamewar. From the atheist point of view, the religious people “bitch” and the atheists “make sense back at them”. The fun of the thing is that both sides think the other is stupid and refuses to see the obvious.

By: AlecDalek

AlecDalek — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:09:52 +0000

There are no creator gods in Buddhism. It’s technically not a religion, but more of a lifestyle or “way”. But there are some Buddhists that treat it like a religion.

By: Smedlorificus

Smedlorificus — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:06:23 +0000

Atheists shouldn’t mainly hate Christians. I personally have an almost equal mild dislike for every religion. Buddhism gets let off a few unpleasant points for not really believing in anything specific. Some buddhist sects are atheistic, are they not?

By: TrikYodz

TrikYodz — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:04:13 +0000

haahahaa
on the otherhand i LOVE this tedious entertaining convorsation
aithests bitch
then some other people make sense back at them

i think thats the pattern

how the fuck did this go to martin luther and Hitler
wtf guys !
ahhahahaha

By: AlecDalek

AlecDalek — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:58:57 +0000

Now maybe if the Jews were to kill Richard Dawkins, you’d have a few anti-semitic athiests. But as it is, athiests mainly hate christians.

By: AlecDalek

AlecDalek — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:56:15 +0000

Right, there is no way hitler could possibly known about Martin Luther, since hitler was born after the 19th century (actually he was born in the 19th century, and fought in WWI). If only Martin Luther had written down his thoughts, in some language similar to hitlers. Seriously, I’m having a really hard time trying to think of a single athiest or non-christian that called for the extermination of the jews (at least not any that might live in a shack in Montana). Why would an athiest want the jews exterminated? Makes no sense. It’s the christians that have used anti-semitism throughout history to boost their own numbers. Ever heard of “The Passion”. It wasn’t always a movie by some crazy guy.

By: Smedlorificus

Smedlorificus — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:50:54 +0000

I think that “being a Christian” is a completely internal thing. If you think Jesus is God, you are a Christian.

By: reboot

reboot — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:48:53 +0000

Hitler was trying to kill all the Jews. Jesus was a Jew and was killed. So there is some consistency there.
Jesus is even a role-model since he was killed voluntarily.

By: Goldfinger

Goldfinger — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:48:40 +0000

Now that’s some theory that calls for proof.
So Luther was anti-semitic. Hitler was anti-semitic, too. What exactly makes you think Hitler got this from the work of Luther? By the end of the 19th century, anti-semitism was a social issue that had nothing to with the church anymore, because the church had lost most of it’s influence during the process of secularization that started in the 17th century.
Fact is that the Nazis replaced many christian rites and even lyrics with pseudo-pagan or at least non-christian ones.
Hitler never used christianity as an argument!
The strange urge to kill all the Jews is by the way not a phenomenon limited to christians. It affects other religions and even atheists as well.

BTW: The Great Schism that separated the Roman from the Orthodox Church was in 1054, which is 429 years before the birth of Luther. And if i recall correctly, the Orthodox Church is still one of the most important christian churches.

By: AlecDalek

AlecDalek — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:45:51 +0000

If Hitler and Martin Luther aren’t christian, what are they? Certainly not athiest, muslim, jewish, or hindu. By your logic (or lack thereof) anyone that commits a “sin” is not christian. But then Jesus told his followers they all had to sell everything they owned and give it to the poor before they could follow him. But christians are excellant and ignoring anything they don’t agree with.

By: AlecDalek

AlecDalek — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:42:16 +0000

I know, crazy, eh? I think they view Jesus as being a non-jew born to a jew. But hey, whatever gets you through the night.

By: natedog

natedog — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:42:08 +0000

Jesus came first to the Jews. Jesus was a Jew. nothing about Jesus is not Jewish.

if Martin Luther or Hitler or anyone else tries to kill people in the name of Jesus, this does not make him a christian.