England – The Welfare Country

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I hear it sucks to live over there these days.


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    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    “I hear it sucks to live over there these days.”

    Only if you were born there.

    PS: that’s not the English flag on there.

    natedog
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    England needs to elect Ron Paul.

    Caio
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    Natedog wins.

    In England you give them your money in taxes most times. In United States, you give them your money with a gun to your head most times. Same difference, cept in one you get delightful Britcoms and also free museums.

    natedog
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    in the US, we dont ‘give’ them our money, they take it before we ever even see it.

    bastaads.

    instead of taking money from one people and giving it to another, why not let everyone keep their won money to spend how they see fit? then everyone will have more money.

    Silver
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    They take the money because if given the choice between maintaining the roads and getting a new toy, most people would choose the toy.

    natedog
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    it is not the federal government’s role to keep up from playing with a toy. you’re a little fat, so let the government put you on a diet? w/e the constitution is a shield to protect us from the federal government. americans have proven time and again that they are willing to give thier hard earned money to those in need. look at the tsunami from a couple of years ago or katrina or whatever. it jsut isnt right for the government to take your money and give it to someone else. vote ron paul or you’re a scurvy pirate.

    RSIxidor
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    “americans have proven time and again that they are willing to give thier hard earned money to those in need. look at the tsunami from a couple of years ago or katrina or whatever. it jsut isnt right for the government to take your money and give it to someone else.” Yeah, but only if something tragic happens. Those roads won’t be fixed unless someone dies because of it. And it will probably take a LOT of people dying on it for anyone to give a cent. Americans are willing to give money when the mass media will make money… Read more »

    natedog
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    whatever dude. people give money when they see a need. and it is not just americans, it’s people from all over. the thing is, if you let people keep thier own money and let situations get taken care of locally, you won’t have so many poor people. the welfare system is bogus and self destructive. the government takes my money; money i need for food and all the other bullshit in my life–and they give it to someone else for food or whatever. i say downsize the government and let people be free. the more laws you have, the less… Read more »

    RSIxidor
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    I would highly prefer your method.

    Its too bad it will never happen. The government knows what it controls, and will not let go of that. Or rather, the people running the government.

    Alice
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    I love living here. Theres the rough with the smooth-I’m happy with the notion of paying to look after those who need it in the awareness that a few lazy bastards will unfortunately end up with some of it. I am proud of the fact we have an NHS, and it’s worth it that all the people who NEED help can get it.
    I suppose humility and social responsibility aren’t that popular in some countries because they aren’t known money spinners.

    natedog
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    a people can be socially responsible without having their money stolen from them.
    i know i would need less help if i could keep all my paycheck.
    i say make all the corporations pay for welfare, adn not the taxpayers.

    steal from the rich, not the poor.

    asdf
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    but doesn’t giving the government money protect us from like a company or asshole from making a road and just charging you to ride on the road? or making a bridge and just putting a huge toll on it? o yeah i’m totally going to build a road and lose massive amounts of money because i want to help people and get no reward except feeling nice. and then maybe the company can make the road extra long with zig zags and stuff and have pointless turns. and if the people joined together to form some sort of cooperation to… Read more »

    Thracian
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    Never have I seen so much bullshit in one place. I live in England, and yes our system is flawed, but it’s far less flawed compared to other systems. If I’m injured, I have an inherent right to the best medical care available, not the bare minimum that poorer people in the US receive. If I’m unemployed, the state provides me with money to support myself and methods of helping me to find a new job. If I’m homeless, the state is able to provide me with accommodation. If I’m the victim of abuse, the state will provide me with… Read more »

    bluebec
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    Like Thracian, I’m happy to pay tax. Yes I’d like a say in where the tax goes, but I am happy to pay it. In fact I don’t think I’m taxed enough and would like to pay more tax so there is more funding for health, education and those less fortunate than myself. The tax system in the US is fucked. The tax system in Australia is ok. I am all for the welfare state, because there are times when I may need it, and its comforting to know its there. Yes there are those who abuse it, but they… Read more »

    asdf
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    @thracian america > england wow you have fire departments, police stations, public schools, libraries, hospitals, foster homes, welfare, and national parks too i’m glad you have finally caught up with us. where do you get your information about america? the bbc? america is so far behind your amazing country we should all follow the amazing nations of europe and they shall lead us to the promised land with their superior culture and non-backword hick like thinking of america. a liberal hippie would also be more in favor with your ideas about how the state should provide things that are “inherent… Read more »

    Mikki
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    @natedog

    You are grossly over simplifying an incredibly complicated issue. You are also a fucking moron.

    Same goes for diabeetus.

    mndlssequation
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    Apparently some of the americans on here don’t live in reality. The america I live in is deeply flawed and needs major improvements all over. Sure there are flaws in every system but the way the government is supposed to work doesn’t in my opinion. Plus I hear that in European countries they know how to fight for thier rights and protest where we americans just know how to sit on our asses and complain and not do anything about it.

    mndlssequation
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    oh BTW the poster up top could also go for the american welfare system.

    Thracian
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    @ asdf Catch up with you? My house is older than your country. I wasn’t suggesting that you don’t have a comparable system, but rather that ours is more inclusive and effective. Yes you have similar institutions to us, but there’s some major disparity in quality. I was also using the list of government funded systems to argue my point for the necessity of having a powerful central government rather than relying on the slim chance that everyone will help each other out that Natedog seemed to think would work so effectively. I wasn’t saying a Liberal wouldn’t agree with… Read more »

    schulzbrianr
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    “Plus I hear that in European countries they know how to fight for thier rights and protest where we americans just know how to sit on our asses and complain and not do anything about it.” So you capitalize Europeans, but not Americans? Good job. Also, you must not watch the news, I see protests all the time, like the Jena 6, not that I approve of that one. And, from what I see on the news (which is not much, since it’s all crap) about European protests, it’s just a bunch of kids who want to throw shit at… Read more »

    TrAyVon'S GhOSt, nuCca
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    Well I don’t agree with taxing the middle class into a state of poverty just so the poor don’t ever see real poverty. The problem I see is it allows people with heavy vices to continue. Alcoholics. Drugs users. Fat teenage mothers who love black men because they appreciate their “booty”. Canada has one of the most liberal welfare systems around and it’s HEAVILY abused. And what do these idiots do? Complain. They want more free money. Free housing. Free everything. Let’s just try a country with low taxes and no social programs. See how it goes. I know I’d… Read more »

    schulzbrianr
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    I agree with mAgnUS. And I can say that without getting a bad taste in my mouth….

    natedog
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    “the state” doesn’t take care of all that shit. the TAXPAYER does. the ca$h comes from the pocket of the average joe. If you’re injured, I have an inherent right to the best medical care availablebecause they took that money from someone else… If you’re unemployed, the TAXPAYER provides me with money to support yourself and methods of helping you to find a new job. If you’re homeless, the TAXPAYER is able to provide you with accommodation. If you’re the victim of abuse, the TAXPAYER will provide you with a programme with which to aid your recovery. If you’re mentally… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    Not that its changed my mind, but this thread has made me think about one difference. Several of the people posting from the UK in support of the welfare state seem to accept that unfortunate events (becoming ill, losing their job) might happen to them personally through random chance. OTOH, the Americans seem to be working under the assumption that if you lose your job or don’t have health care its your own fault (“grow up people. take ownership of your own fucking life”,”You must not know the ethics of hard work my dear lazy friend”). Call it Reverse American… Read more »

    Thracian
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    Natedog Yes, the taxpayer pays for it; I considered that so blindingly obvious that I needn’t have put it in. Yet it’s the role of government to use the taxpayer’s money to good effect. Yes it’s often questionable how effectively the money’s used, but it does more good for people in general in the hands of an accountable government than it ever would if everyone was left to decide how it were used individually. Magnus If a system is heavily abused, it’s not necessarily the fault of the ideology of that system, but the way in which it’s instituted and… Read more »

    nnmnu
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    lol britfags



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