Comments on: Nagasaki – Before and After 1945 http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/ My Confined Space is an image blog with user submitted pictures of anything and everything, funny, serious or dark. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:28:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Silver http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/comment-page-1/#comment-72038 Silver Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:09:30 +0000 http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/#comment-72038 Oh, You mean Fuel-air bombs. Yeah, those are amazing. I always thought that they should be used more rather than just making bigger bombs make more efficient ones. Oh, You mean Fuel-air bombs.

Yeah, those are amazing. I always thought that they should be used more rather than just making bigger bombs make more efficient ones.

]]> By: AlecDalek http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/comment-page-1/#comment-72034 AlecDalek Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:02:09 +0000 http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/#comment-72034 Silver, I think this is the type of bomb you're looking for. Very efficient. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_bomb Silver, I think this is the type of bomb you’re looking for. Very efficient.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_bomb

]]> By: Silver http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/comment-page-1/#comment-72032 Silver Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:48:51 +0000 http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/#comment-72032 Or maybe I should say it's a waste anywhere... Or maybe I should say it’s a waste anywhere…

]]> By: Silver http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/comment-page-1/#comment-72031 Silver Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:45:16 +0000 http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/#comment-72031 The only truly effective way to use a nuclear weapons is to target high population/high density areas. They can't be used to "Clear the way" because of the radiation and firestorms they generate. It would be a tactical waste of firepower to use them on naval targets unless they are in dock and gathered pearl harbor style in one area. They are in the end the perfect weapon to be used against civilians as that's the only way to maximize the damage dealt. Using them against a purely military target is also overkill because it leaves the area useless after and destroy any intel that may have been retrieved that more conventional weapons could have left at least partly intact. The nuke really is a weapon to be used on urban environments. It's a waste elsewhere. The only truly effective way to use a nuclear weapons is to target high population/high density areas. They can’t be used to “Clear the way” because of the radiation and firestorms they generate. It would be a tactical waste of firepower to use them on naval targets unless they are in dock and gathered pearl harbor style in one area. They are in the end the perfect weapon to be used against civilians as that’s the only way to maximize the damage dealt. Using them against a purely military target is also overkill because it leaves the area useless after and destroy any intel that may have been retrieved that more conventional weapons could have left at least partly intact.

The nuke really is a weapon to be used on urban environments. It’s a waste elsewhere.

]]> By: reboot http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/comment-page-1/#comment-72025 reboot Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:26:08 +0000 http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/#comment-72025 Yeah, Silver the a-bombs were air bursts and actually less destructive than most conventional bombing raids (ie firebombing) at the time. The only thing that was impressive is that it was done by one bomber and one bomb. "Mac" got pulled for wanting to attack China and for getting his army annihilated at Ichon. "American Caesar" is an excellent biography about the man. The only person I have personally insulted in this thread is you, Alec, because you are a snot nosed brat. What can I say, facts are facts. garbledxmission, Why do you think that I would ignore any facts you provided? That's an unfounded accusation. The only other person in this thread who has provided any facts is Caio, and he agrees with me. I'll call it a draw if you just give me ONE book that you have read that supports your point of view. Because I have listed THREE books that I have read that oppose your point of view. ONE, just ONE book. If you are so well versed in history that shouldn't be difficult. This is the third time that I have requested that you back your argument with verifiable information. As it stands right now I have your opinion (no facts) versus the opinion of several military commands at the time. Yeah, Silver the a-bombs were air bursts and actually less destructive than most conventional bombing raids (ie firebombing) at the time. The only thing that was impressive is that it was done by one bomber and one bomb.
“Mac” got pulled for wanting to attack China and for getting his army annihilated at Ichon. “American Caesar” is an excellent biography about the man.
The only person I have personally insulted in this thread is you, Alec, because you are a snot nosed brat. What can I say, facts are facts.
garbledxmission, Why do you think that I would ignore any facts you provided? That’s an unfounded accusation. The only other person in this thread who has provided any facts is Caio, and he agrees with me.
I’ll call it a draw if you just give me ONE book that you have read that supports your point of view. Because I have listed THREE books that I have read that oppose your point of view. ONE, just ONE book. If you are so well versed in history that shouldn’t be difficult.
This is the third time that I have requested that you back your argument with verifiable information. As it stands right now I have your opinion (no facts) versus the opinion of several military commands at the time.

]]> By: Silver http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/comment-page-1/#comment-72023 Silver Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:11:29 +0000 http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/#comment-72023 Hmm, I had forgotten how inefficient those bombs were. The image displays almost no permanent ground damage ie there is no giant crater. Were the bombs air burst or ground? Probably air. Hmm, I had forgotten how inefficient those bombs were. The image displays almost no permanent ground damage ie there is no giant crater. Were the bombs air burst or ground? Probably air.

]]> By: garbledxmission http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/comment-page-1/#comment-72018 garbledxmission Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:57:08 +0000 http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/#comment-72018 Hee hee. Black baby. You are a bad man Alec. It's funny that Mac got pulled from active duty for that when he claimed years later that he was against using atomic weapons. Hee hee. Black baby. You are a bad man Alec.

It’s funny that Mac got pulled from active duty for that when he claimed years later that he was against using atomic weapons.

]]> By: AlecDalek http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/comment-page-1/#comment-72015 AlecDalek Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:53:00 +0000 http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/#comment-72015 reboot criticizing someone for using personal attacks. Pot & Kettle made a black baby. I do think you're right about MacArthur being yanked from the Korean war. I seem to recall it having something to do with requesting the use of nuclear weapons. uh oh, here we go again... reboot criticizing someone for using personal attacks. Pot & Kettle made a black baby.

I do think you’re right about MacArthur being yanked from the Korean war. I seem to recall it having something to do with requesting the use of nuclear weapons.

uh oh, here we go again…

]]> By: garbledxmission http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/comment-page-1/#comment-72008 garbledxmission Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:45:24 +0000 http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/#comment-72008 I say good day! I say good day!

]]> By: garbledxmission http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/comment-page-1/#comment-72007 garbledxmission Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:45:09 +0000 http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/10/17/nagasaki-before-and-after-1945/#comment-72007 1)The irony was that you chose to use quotes from people condemning (years later) the very actions they supported at the time of the incident in question. Either they were right then or at the time of the articles. They can't have it both ways or it means choices have no consequences. Especially choices that killed so many. 2)Why should I bother posting any kind of links or facts? You would either A)ignore them to continue to blindly support your claim or (B)Put up more misleading information to "refute" them. Besides, why should I do your work for you? You haven't refuted one argument I made regarding the military decisions made at the time, the fact that your quotes were an attempt by those men to rewrite their involvement in a horrific event, or that Allied casualties would have continued to rise had we not bombed them. Despite your childish need to keep score, however inaccurate that score is. Any facts I could bother to display are readily available in any history book, maybe you should do some more research in specific History instead of general Humanities. 3)MacArthur had been removed from combat command and put in charge of overseeing the occupation because of his growing instability in combat. They tried to phase him out quietly but then the Korean War started. It took him committing what would be classified these days as war crimes during that conflict for them to finally remove him from command directly and embarrassingly instead of quietly as is the preferred method in the military command structure. 4)Yes, I did get personal towards the end of this one sided debate and I do apologize as I am normally above it. I vented because I got tired of watching you beat your head against the wall having a tantrum and engage in strawman tactics instead of engaging in legitimate debate. If this is what the undergraduate programs are turning out these days, I weep for the future. You don't debate, you make the same argument repeatedly using ineffective data to back up said argument. Then you get upset. That's never going to be an effective way to get your point across. You also need to learn when you are wrong, to admit it, learn from it, and move on. Clearly you're not ready for that. 1)The irony was that you chose to use quotes from people condemning (years later) the very actions they supported at the time of the incident in question. Either they were right then or at the time of the articles. They can’t have it both ways or it means choices have no consequences. Especially choices that killed so many.

2)Why should I bother posting any kind of links or facts? You would either A)ignore them to continue to blindly support your claim or (B)Put up more misleading information to “refute” them.
Besides, why should I do your work for you? You haven’t refuted one argument I made regarding the military decisions made at the time, the fact that your quotes were an attempt by those men to rewrite their involvement in a horrific event, or that Allied casualties would have continued to rise had we not bombed them. Despite your childish need to keep score, however inaccurate that score is. Any facts I could bother to display are readily available in any history book, maybe you should do some more research in specific History instead of general Humanities.
3)MacArthur had been removed from combat command and put in charge of overseeing the occupation because of his growing instability in combat. They tried to phase him out quietly but then the Korean War started. It took him committing what would be classified these days as war crimes during that conflict for them to finally remove him from command directly and embarrassingly instead of quietly as is the preferred method in the military command structure.
4)Yes, I did get personal towards the end of this one sided debate and I do apologize as I am normally above it. I vented because I got tired of watching you beat your head against the wall having a tantrum and engage in strawman tactics instead of engaging in legitimate debate. If this is what the undergraduate programs are turning out these days, I weep for the future. You don’t debate, you make the same argument repeatedly using ineffective data to back up said argument. Then you get upset. That’s never going to be an effective way to get your point across. You also need to learn when you are wrong, to admit it, learn from it, and move on. Clearly you’re not ready for that.

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