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		<title>By: Dyna-Mole</title>
		<link>http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/09/20/prove-it-with-religion-oh-wait-you-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-119366</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyna-Mole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 06:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, but you don&#039;t believe in Thor, you caveman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, but you don&#8217;t believe in Thor, you caveman.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul_Is_Drunk</title>
		<link>http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2007/09/20/prove-it-with-religion-oh-wait-you-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-66355</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul_Is_Drunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*

Honestly, whatever.

I&#039;m not cursing.
I&#039;m not getting emotional.
I&#039;m not trying to change your point of view (though you may argue otherwise).
I&#039;m not trying to convince myself of what I believe by vigorously defending my point of view.

I&#039;m using logic to point out the flaws in your argument, which being a subject based on faith, has very little logic about it.  So get all riled up if you want, I don&#039;t care.  I&#039;m not going to change your mind, you certainly won&#039;t change mine.

Though if you want to actually argue on something like this, you should understand logic and perhaps empirical evidence, which is the foundation of all sound arguments.  Arguments, as in the subject of discourse on opposing points of view, such as what happens in the court of law, not what people do in bars before they get in fights.

I&#039;m through with this pointless internet argument.  Now feel free to attack my grammar or whatever else you can do to make yourself feel like you have &quot;won.&quot;  I&#039;m out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>Honestly, whatever.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not cursing.<br />
I&#8217;m not getting emotional.<br />
I&#8217;m not trying to change your point of view (though you may argue otherwise).<br />
I&#8217;m not trying to convince myself of what I believe by vigorously defending my point of view.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m using logic to point out the flaws in your argument, which being a subject based on faith, has very little logic about it.  So get all riled up if you want, I don&#8217;t care.  I&#8217;m not going to change your mind, you certainly won&#8217;t change mine.</p>
<p>Though if you want to actually argue on something like this, you should understand logic and perhaps empirical evidence, which is the foundation of all sound arguments.  Arguments, as in the subject of discourse on opposing points of view, such as what happens in the court of law, not what people do in bars before they get in fights.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m through with this pointless internet argument.  Now feel free to attack my grammar or whatever else you can do to make yourself feel like you have &#8220;won.&#8221;  I&#8217;m out.</p>
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		<title>By: rattybad</title>
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		<dc:creator>rattybad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh shit, how many times do I have to hear that witless &quot;I believe in one less god than you do, but we&#039;re both atheists&quot; bullshit?  An atheist is someone without a god, so if Foinlavin has *any* god than he&#039;s not an atheist at all.  Not believing in Thor doesn&#039;t make him an atheist, it makes him a Christian if he believes in Christ.  You still believe in one less deity though, if that&#039;s any comfort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh shit, how many times do I have to hear that witless &#8220;I believe in one less god than you do, but we&#8217;re both atheists&#8221; bullshit?  An atheist is someone without a god, so if Foinlavin has *any* god than he&#8217;s not an atheist at all.  Not believing in Thor doesn&#8217;t make him an atheist, it makes him a Christian if he believes in Christ.  You still believe in one less deity though, if that&#8217;s any comfort.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul_Is_Drunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul_Is_Drunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t believe in Thor, do you?  Do you believe in Zeus?  Therefore, in respect to those deities, you are an atheist.  It&#039;s arrogant to assume that atheism only applies to one doctrine of belief.

Therefore, we are both atheists, and I simply choose to believe in one less deity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t believe in Thor, do you?  Do you believe in Zeus?  Therefore, in respect to those deities, you are an atheist.  It&#8217;s arrogant to assume that atheism only applies to one doctrine of belief.</p>
<p>Therefore, we are both atheists, and I simply choose to believe in one less deity.</p>
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		<title>By: Foinlavin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foinlavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, that doesn&#039;t make any sense.  If I believe in God, how am I an atheist, regardless of the number of gods you chose to believe in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, that doesn&#8217;t make any sense.  If I believe in God, how am I an atheist, regardless of the number of gods you chose to believe in?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul_Is_Drunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul_Is_Drunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are all atheists, I just choose to believe in one less god than you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are all atheists, I just choose to believe in one less god than you do.</p>
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		<title>By: iddqd</title>
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		<dc:creator>iddqd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Truly, you are a model Christian and a tribute to your religion.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

reboot, I never said that I was a Christian. So go fuck yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Truly, you are a model Christian and a tribute to your religion.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>reboot, I never said that I was a Christian. So go fuck yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: reboot</title>
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		<dc:creator>reboot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caio, those are all good points and well argued. Personally, I don&#039;t have any option about the truth of the Akhenaten theory. I was just trying to point out that it&#039;s a theory that has some legitimate academic consideration.
It should be noted that the early Hebrews were not strictly monotheistic either.  The commandment &quot;Thou shalt have no other god before me&quot; does not exclude the possibility that other gods exist and it doesn&#039;t even prohibit worshiping those other gods as long as they don&#039;t come before YHWH. There were lots of other gods that were picked up from neighboring civilizations and later dropped, &quot;demoted&quot; or incorporated into the concept of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caio, those are all good points and well argued. Personally, I don&#8217;t have any option about the truth of the Akhenaten theory. I was just trying to point out that it&#8217;s a theory that has some legitimate academic consideration.<br />
It should be noted that the early Hebrews were not strictly monotheistic either.  The commandment &#8220;Thou shalt have no other god before me&#8221; does not exclude the possibility that other gods exist and it doesn&#8217;t even prohibit worshiping those other gods as long as they don&#8217;t come before YHWH. There were lots of other gods that were picked up from neighboring civilizations and later dropped, &#8220;demoted&#8221; or incorporated into the concept of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Caio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the Akhenaten theory weak at best. First of all, Akhenaten&#039;s cult wasn&#039;t particularly popular or long-lived, and why some slaves would pick it up its thrust without its details is beyond me (and it also means you have to explain quite a bit of religious change in the rather short timeline, which the theory really necessitates). It also throws off a good deal of archaeological knowledge about the origin of monotheism and the decreasing importance          of idol worship. Besides, many Egyptologists are starting to doubt just how monotheist he was. If we didn&#039;t know the Ancient Greeks from handed-down documents, it would be easy to suppose that many Greek towns were monotheist, when in fact they just had popular cults that focused on one god. Hell, there were flashes of monotheistic language and god-essence all over the Mediterranean. IMO monotheism was a polytheist Mediterranean concept that was taken to its extremes by the Jews .

The Akhenatin theory represents the problem you&#039;d find in the bulk of comparative religion: Westerners - Christian and Atheist - reunderstand other religions via Christianity and distort them heavily. For a First Nations History class I&#039;ve been taking, I&#039;ve been hanging out in the local reservation archives a lot. Interestingly enough, that religion was seen as having monotheistic characteristics by a lot of white folks. Indeed, it has one God, in that it has an immortal universe-creator. But that &quot;god&quot; has no personal aspect to it, it&#039;s a place. Land which created land, in effect. The land was a living, nurturing thing to these people, so it made sense. It didn&#039;t talk or give commandments. It&#039;s actually pretty marginal. Animals, for them, have always existed, and the human-creator, and the ethical teachers were very ungodlike: Typically animals, and always mortal and mainly dead. And  that&#039;s just the start of it. Trying to understand that worldview in Western, Christian terms like &#039;God&#039; and &#039;Monotheist&#039; is confusing and distorting.

As for the historical veracity of the Bible, remember that most historical documents before 1600 were just about equally as religious. Keep that in mind any time you hear any historical fact or theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the Akhenaten theory weak at best. First of all, Akhenaten&#8217;s cult wasn&#8217;t particularly popular or long-lived, and why some slaves would pick it up its thrust without its details is beyond me (and it also means you have to explain quite a bit of religious change in the rather short timeline, which the theory really necessitates). It also throws off a good deal of archaeological knowledge about the origin of monotheism and the decreasing importance          of idol worship. Besides, many Egyptologists are starting to doubt just how monotheist he was. If we didn&#8217;t know the Ancient Greeks from handed-down documents, it would be easy to suppose that many Greek towns were monotheist, when in fact they just had popular cults that focused on one god. Hell, there were flashes of monotheistic language and god-essence all over the Mediterranean. IMO monotheism was a polytheist Mediterranean concept that was taken to its extremes by the Jews .</p>
<p>The Akhenatin theory represents the problem you&#8217;d find in the bulk of comparative religion: Westerners &#8211; Christian and Atheist &#8211; reunderstand other religions via Christianity and distort them heavily. For a First Nations History class I&#8217;ve been taking, I&#8217;ve been hanging out in the local reservation archives a lot. Interestingly enough, that religion was seen as having monotheistic characteristics by a lot of white folks. Indeed, it has one God, in that it has an immortal universe-creator. But that &#8220;god&#8221; has no personal aspect to it, it&#8217;s a place. Land which created land, in effect. The land was a living, nurturing thing to these people, so it made sense. It didn&#8217;t talk or give commandments. It&#8217;s actually pretty marginal. Animals, for them, have always existed, and the human-creator, and the ethical teachers were very ungodlike: Typically animals, and always mortal and mainly dead. And  that&#8217;s just the start of it. Trying to understand that worldview in Western, Christian terms like &#8216;God&#8217; and &#8216;Monotheist&#8217; is confusing and distorting.</p>
<p>As for the historical veracity of the Bible, remember that most historical documents before 1600 were just about equally as religious. Keep that in mind any time you hear any historical fact or theory.</p>
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		<title>By: hoi1ma</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoi1ma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just found out today that the fountain i was so fond of when i was a kid was located at a place called Christan science church park. Thanks google earth on iphone.
I dont believe in religion but believe there is supernatural being of sort. Not atheist either, they are morons for trying to fight religion.

But still Christian Science? I got an idea since modern science prove their theory through demonstration, why dont Christian research on their science to prove that the theory of things mention in the bible is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just found out today that the fountain i was so fond of when i was a kid was located at a place called Christan science church park. Thanks google earth on iphone.<br />
I dont believe in religion but believe there is supernatural being of sort. Not atheist either, they are morons for trying to fight religion.</p>
<p>But still Christian Science? I got an idea since modern science prove their theory through demonstration, why dont Christian research on their science to prove that the theory of things mention in the bible is true.</p>
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