Prove it with religion! Oh wait. you can’t

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    This would be funnier if the text wasn’t all JPEG fucked.

    Anonymous
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    On the subject of the historical accuracy of the Bible, I just read a great book about the origin of the Exodus story. The theory is that Akhenaten was the founder of a sun-god based monotheism that morphed into Judaism. Moses was a priest of this religion that fell out of favor with Akhenaten’s death, and the Exodus of Jews was also recorded in Egyption history as an “expulsion of lepers [unclean people] from the delta region. The pharoah that ruled during the Exodus was Tutankamen. There are a lot of cool books out there that try to reconcile biblical… Read more »

    Foinlavin
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    Didn’t you guys learn anything in Sunday School? The Bible is true because the Bible says it’s true. That’s proof if I ever heard it.

    titanzero
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    out of the delta region…so the Borg kicked them out?

    iddqd
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    “Hence I think that I may reasonably conclude that whenever the Bible has occasion to speak of any physical conclusion (especially those which are very abstruse and hard to understand), the rule has been observed of avoiding confusion in the minds of the common people which would render them contumacious toward the higher mysteries. Now the Bible, merely to condescend to popular capacity, has not hesitated to obscure some very important pronouncements, attributing to God himself some qualities extremely remote from (and even contrary to) His essence. Who, then, would positively declare that this principle has been set aside, and… Read more »

    DemolitionsGeek
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    iddqd, TL’DR.

    Paul_Is_Drunk
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    You’d have a point if the church didn’t finally admit that the Earth revolved around the Sun on October 31st, 1992. That’s what, 350 years later? Oh, but they still haven’t admitted that it was wrong to convict Galileo on charges of heresy.

    Don’t try to argue a pro-bible point of view using logic, it’s not your strong suit. Emotional outrage is definitely your best defense.

    Jesus is Magic! 😀

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    iddqd: What’s the Bible supposed to be used for? A moral guide? Sorry you planted two crops in the same field, time to die. Sorry, honey, you’re on your period so you need to leave town. Even the New Testament is pretty weak on morals by modern standards. If you really followed Jesus, you have to sell all of your things and give the money to the poor. The Bible might have some historical significance, but no more than the Tao Te Ching or the Norse Sagas. BTW, I don’t know exactly what book natakamus read, but that is a… Read more »

    Foinlavin
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    Galileo DID commit heresy. He broke the law by contradicting the churches stance. Right as he may have been, he still knowingly broke the law. Why don’t you believe that the Bible is based on fact? Because it is impossible in your mind for these events to have taken place? Prove it with religion. What does that mean? Is there anything from more than a couple thousand years ago that can actually be proven? No, its all based on an educated guess. When I was a kid my favorite dinosaur was a brontosaurus. Turns out there is no such thing.… Read more »

    iddqd
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    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten#Speculative_theories Oh yeah reboot, you got me there. Speculative theories. Isn’t that another word for “crazy conspiracies?” I wouldn’t be surprised if you believed that 9/11 was an inside job and that the Kennedy assassination was orchestrated by the CIA. Go enjoy your AIDs. Foinlavin, did you read my post correctly? The Bible only concerns itself with human salvation. Galileo was persecuted by the church and that’s exactly what I said, the Catholic Church was corrupted and used the Bible for purposes that it wasn’t suited for. This means that you shouldn’t use the bible to prove scientific theories and… Read more »

    Foinlavin
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    @iddqd
    Wait hold on, I am trying to be on your side here. My Galileo comment was in response to Paul_is_Drunk’s comment on the Church not saying that Galileo committed heresy. Did you read MY post correctly? I am obviously in full Christian-defense mode. Its a phase. I’ll be over it in an hour or so.

    eric
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    Foinlavin: Why don’t you believe that the Bible is based on fact? Because it is impossible in your mind for these events to have taken place? Some of the stories related in the Bible might have happened. Some of the stories related in the Bibles seem to be retellings of myths from other religions. Whether I believe all the stories filling the modern Bible, or all the stories left out over the years by church leaders doesn’t really matter, does it? iddqd: But what I can prove is that the Bible is historically accurate to an extensive degree that even… Read more »

    WTFBURGERZ
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    I enjoy reading the Bible and studying science. Not for religious purposes, but for investigation and enjoyment. The Bible has great stories. I’m not defending Catholics because I think they’re insane. Which is why I broke away from the Catholic church. The Bible, is actually for 99% scientifically accurate. Even the story of creation. The only thing that conflicts is the Birds. Faith can’t be proven true. And it can’t be proven wrong. Which is why we all need to believe in something, even if it’s nothing. I believe in at least an afterlife. I’ll live my life by the… Read more »

    Foinlavin
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    WTFBURGERZ makes an excellent point.
    Ok, that was just fun to type.

    DemolitionsGeek
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    Seriously though, one would never expect such a lucid, well-thought-out piece of typed response from one with the internet handle “WTFBURGERZ.”

    You, Burgerz, ar teh win of this thred.

    Aristoi
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    This thread needs less Christians and more common sense. Come on people, this is MCS. Let’s see some hustle!

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    iddqd: read the linked article, there are seven different academic books cited as sources for the Akhenaten is Moses theory.
    “Go enjoy your AIDs [sic].”
    Truly, you are a model Christian and a tribute to your religion.

    hoi1ma
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    i just found out today that the fountain i was so fond of when i was a kid was located at a place called Christan science church park. Thanks google earth on iphone.
    I dont believe in religion but believe there is supernatural being of sort. Not atheist either, they are morons for trying to fight religion.

    But still Christian Science? I got an idea since modern science prove their theory through demonstration, why dont Christian research on their science to prove that the theory of things mention in the bible is true.

    Caio
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    I find the Akhenaten theory weak at best. First of all, Akhenaten’s cult wasn’t particularly popular or long-lived, and why some slaves would pick it up its thrust without its details is beyond me (and it also means you have to explain quite a bit of religious change in the rather short timeline, which the theory really necessitates). It also throws off a good deal of archaeological knowledge about the origin of monotheism and the decreasing importance of idol worship. Besides, many Egyptologists are starting to doubt just how monotheist he was. If we didn’t know the Ancient Greeks from… Read more »

    The Matrix: Rebooted
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    Caio, those are all good points and well argued. Personally, I don’t have any option about the truth of the Akhenaten theory. I was just trying to point out that it’s a theory that has some legitimate academic consideration. It should be noted that the early Hebrews were not strictly monotheistic either. The commandment “Thou shalt have no other god before me” does not exclude the possibility that other gods exist and it doesn’t even prohibit worshiping those other gods as long as they don’t come before YHWH. There were lots of other gods that were picked up from neighboring… Read more »

    iddqd
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    “Truly, you are a model Christian and a tribute to your religion.”

    reboot, I never said that I was a Christian. So go fuck yourself.

    Paul_Is_Drunk
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    We are all atheists, I just choose to believe in one less god than you do.

    Foinlavin
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    Paul, that doesn’t make any sense. If I believe in God, how am I an atheist, regardless of the number of gods you chose to believe in?

    Paul_Is_Drunk
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    You don’t believe in Thor, do you? Do you believe in Zeus? Therefore, in respect to those deities, you are an atheist. It’s arrogant to assume that atheism only applies to one doctrine of belief.

    Therefore, we are both atheists, and I simply choose to believe in one less deity.

    rattybad
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    Oh shit, how many times do I have to hear that witless “I believe in one less god than you do, but we’re both atheists” bullshit? An atheist is someone without a god, so if Foinlavin has *any* god than he’s not an atheist at all. Not believing in Thor doesn’t make him an atheist, it makes him a Christian if he believes in Christ. You still believe in one less deity though, if that’s any comfort.

    Paul_Is_Drunk
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    *sigh* Honestly, whatever. I’m not cursing. I’m not getting emotional. I’m not trying to change your point of view (though you may argue otherwise). I’m not trying to convince myself of what I believe by vigorously defending my point of view. I’m using logic to point out the flaws in your argument, which being a subject based on faith, has very little logic about it. So get all riled up if you want, I don’t care. I’m not going to change your mind, you certainly won’t change mine. Though if you want to actually argue on something like this, you… Read more »

    Awesome1
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    yeah, but you don’t believe in Thor, you caveman.



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