They’ve already won

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Ahmed… don’t bother planning future attacks. We’ve already won.

Headline: NSA collection phone records on ordinary americans.

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    27 Responses to They’ve already won

    1. So these crazy religious hooligans are going to stop trying to install Islam as the national world religion just because the NSA starts collecting phone records on suspected terrorists who make calls overseas to other suspected terrorists or questionable suspects…?

      SAGE.
      THIS.
      SHIT.

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    2. Not that they’d stop, but the point is well taken.

      “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Ben Franklin

      BUMP.
      THIS.
      SHIT.

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    3. Wow, JC Denton. Shouldn’t you be off killing MJ12 Troopers?

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    4. “The Constitution…is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary which they may twist and shape into any form they please.”

      –Thomas Jefferson

      Let’s play my favirote game, where we quote old people that lived over 200 years ago and take their quotes as commandments. You think our so-called liberties in the Constitution are being exterminated? Do me a favor faggot, take some valium and shoot yourself before you give me a peptic ulcer.

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    5. Yeah, we Americans are *so* oppressed.

      Yes, this is definitely what the terrorists want. No, not millions of dead Americans, but Americans listening to other Americans make phone calls.

      Please.

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    6. Actually, I think it’s a reference to the fact that, in the first couple years after 9-11, no Republican could shut their mouth about “The terrorists hate freedom” or “The terrorists are jealous of our freedom” or the whopper “If we sacrifice our freedoms, the terrorists win”.

      Of course, those platitudes were quickly forgotten once the republicans figured out that the only way to “fight” terrorism is by attacking the Americans and that freedoms must be sacrificed for our ? (still haven’t figured out what you folks are fighting for if not freedom… little flags? Crying bald eagles? Christianity as a national world religion?)

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    7. The terrorists hate freedom.
      Politicians reacted to terrorism by taking away our own freedom.
      ——————————–
      = The terrorists win!

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    8. The terrorists do not hate “freedom.” What they hate is Western civilization, not “freedom.” We only think they do because we equate our way of life as the definition of freedom.

      And what “freedoms,” exactly, have you lost, Alec? And you might want to answer quickly since we all know that the Gestappo is on the way to house right now to apprehend you for spreading this propaganda.

      And “collecting phone records,” doesn’t mean they’re listening to your every freaking phone call. Give me a break. More than likely, what they do is check your records, see where you were calling, and if something strikes them as odd, maybe THEN they listen to your calls.

      Do I agree with everything this administration has done? Certainly not. But I’m getting damn tired of people whining about how Americans are “losing their freedom,” or our “civil rights are in jeopardy.” Give it a rest.

      Healthy skepticism is one thing, but don’t start thinking we’re a repressed people. That’s just ignorant.

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    9. “The Constitution…is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary which they may twist and shape into any form they please.”

      –Thomas Jefferson

      Let’s play my favirote game, where we quote old people that lived over 200 years ago and take their quotes as commandments. You think our so-called liberties in the Constitution are being exterminated? Do me a favor faggot, take some valium and shoot yourself before you give me a peptic ulcer.

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    10. So terrorists love freedom? That’s news to me. I guess that’s why they hung around the Taliban.

      As for the rest of your diatribe:

      They came for my neighbour, and I said nothing,
      They came for my father and I said nothing,
      They came for my sister and I said nothing,
      They came for my wife and I said nothing,
      Now I think they’re here for me,
      Why won’t anyone speak up for me?

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    11. *cough* habeus corpus *cough* separation of powers *cough* indefinite detainment without conviction *cough*

      Flying Mantis Strip, you people have lost the freedoms that make every other freedom possible. Sure, it hasn’t all gone downhill yet, but all the protection is gone. At this point, US politicians are on the honour system not to turn you into a freaking dictatorship. Willing to trust in that? Because the people who invented habeus corpus and separation of powers sure as hell weren’t, from their own personal experience.

      The problem with you Americans is that you’ve had too many generations of relative comfort with your political system. Live through a dictatorship, and you’ll see the value of even the freedoms you consider marginal.

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    12. Caio,

      First of all, don’t tell me that I don’t see the values of my freedom. I know all too well the priceless value of it all. I see what you’re saying, and I do agree to a certain point, but don’t even begin to say that all Americans are like that. Fuck you. I’ve been to Iraq and seen firsthand the chaos there, so don’t tell me what I do and don’t appreciate. Again, fuck you.

      Secondly, in reference your argument that we have lost the “freedom that makes every other freedom possible, that simply doesn’t make logical sense. Because, logically speaking, if one loses something that is the “enabler,” or the reason other things are able to exist, then it logically foollows that the things it was enabling would also cease to exist. Ergom according to your argument, we have effectively lost *all* freedoms…which I’m fairly certain isn’t true.

      And Alec, come on man. You completely misinterpretted what I said. Terrorists do not hate freedom. They hate Western Civilization, Christianity, etc. etc. A widely held problem in America and Western Civ, for that matter, is that we equate our way of life with freedom. That meaning that we see our way of life as the *only* way of being free. Wouldn’t you agree it’d be fair to say that various cultures would have various conceptions of things? And why not
      freedom?

      Look, do I think that there are things in our country that need to be changed? Most certainly, I do. I’m just trying to say that people are so quick to yell out “OPPRESSION!” Again, you still have yet to tell me what freedoms you’ve lost, Alec. I just don’t see why people find it necessary to portray America as a modern day V For Vendetta society. Average, every day Americans are *not* getting plucked from their houses and herded into prisoner camps for speaking their minds.

      So long as “speaking their mind” doesn’t include things like calling for the destruction of America, killings, etc. etc, of course.

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    13. If You’re Happy And You Know It – Bomb Iraq
      If you cannot find Osama,bomb Iraq.
      If the terrorists are frisky,
      Pakistan is looking shifty,
      North Korea is too risky,
      Bomb Iraq.

      😀

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    14. Funny how when you have a country run by fascist religious fanatics who like to blow sh*t up to further their political agenda they’re immediately labeled as terrorists… unless the country is ours. Let’s hear it for fundamentalist Christian America!

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    15. Dude, the terrorists in question are Muslims. They don’t want you to be free to drink alcohol, practice other religions, or even let women walk around in public without being covering in dark robes. That is not freedom! What the hell is wrong with you?

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    16. Religion of any kind is a man made prison designed to control and exploit people and limit their freedom. Christians might let you practice another religion (as long as their God is mentioned on our money and in the Pledge of Allegiance), drink (except for when they passed prohibition), let women have a voice (but only after 1920 – not even 100 years yet – and still not allowed by the church to have an abortion), but really what is the difference? Every religion wants you to believe in an invisible man that will destroy you if you don’t love him and give him your money. The only thing going to hell is organized religion and the people that lead and follow it.

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    17. Amen brother!

      er, I mean, splendid!

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    18. That’s a nice argument, Flying, and I’m sure you’d get an A+ in philosophy class, because it has nothing to do whatsoever with observed reality.

      Let me explain to you, Flying, the type of dictatorship which is not only the most common in the modern world. The type you’d find in Zimbabwe for example. I’ll use an example I’m familiar with, Salazar-era Portugal.

      You see, during the Salazar years, Portugal was a free and open democracy with fair elections, separation of powers, rule of law, and it didn’t even have the death penalty *on paper*. It just happened to be that the same party won the elections always for almost fifty years and there was no opposition except Delgado, and some blacks and Timorenses off-shore.

      Of course, just as Bush has given the Administration the power (unused?) to form a ‘council’ controlled entirely by the administration which can detain people indefinitely, in secret, and without trail, Salazar had the PIDE/PVDE. Essentially, like the ‘council’ Bush has given himself the right to create, PIDE existed above all Portuguese law and could freely vanish people. Generally those people weren’t communists and terrorists (from the Colonies, who were fighting a war for independence), as Salazar promised, but newspaper reporters, opposition candidates and regular people who were overhead by the spy network.

      Of course, Portugal had a nice dictatorship by world standards. Me and my family are from Brazil. The military regime of my childhood didn’t really need secrets, because the “threat” of communist terrorists was apparently so grim, that it gave them the right to open fire on underage protesters. Everyone was being spied on Constantly, and if you weren’t a famous singer, you were likely to end up who knows fucking where. At one point my Uncle, Aunt, and three cousins all vanished, and their farm land was assumed as Gov. property, later sold at auction. We still haven’t got an explanation for that one. Are they in prison? In some grave. My Grandparents hired a detective after the dictatorship ended, and still no info whatsoever.

      But I’m sure your six month tour in Iraq on base was hell and taught you about life.

      But no, creating a council controlled directly by the administration which exists above the law could never go wrong. Only hippies from san francisco want to vote. Real freedoms are the freedom to go to monster truck rallies, evangelist churches and nigger lynchings. God bless the american way..

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    19. Man I love this shit I dont know what gets people riled up more religion and polotics or Mac vs PC?

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    20. True. They’re both fun back n’ forths to watch. We could always combine the two and talk about how religion hasn’t put out an upgrade in centuries and politics keeps crashing because its kernel is corrupted.

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    21. If you don’t want them to listen to your conversation (and you’re not that special sorry, they WON’T listen to your conversation) so bad then you’re obviously doing something wrong your self.

      Or maybe you’re just too idealistic, and theres no place for that here.

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    22. Oh and Caio: On the Brazilian Military Regime, I think it was better off having some people getting shot at and having some security (crime wasn’t THIS intense here back then) then having Corrupt politicians washing money like theres no tomorrow into exterior bank accounts and literally bending the country over and fucking it. Not to mention the deterioration of the public systems such as health, the police, and even road paving that has happened in the major metropolitan areas.

      Bush is not a dictator either. The US works on a checks and balance system and the GOPS haven’t been elected consecutively for 50 years. This cabinet is nothing more then to hold people who are suspected of terrorist links for the security of the country. Torture is bad, but if we were getting attacked constantly then you wouldn’t be saying that. Also trying to link the regime in portugal to what we have in the U.S right now is just stupid, considering the Congress is Democratic right now, and (supposedly) oppose the president. Because by god we know the Democratic congress has been oh so very great in increasing our budget and sinking us ever so deeper in debt. But no worries, it’s obviously Bush’s fault.

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    23. LOL Osama has lost the game… 😛

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      • Sure, the Islamists spent a few million – and the US spent trillions, almost bankrupting our economy. They lost thousands of uneducated street urchins, we lost thousands of highly trained professionals. They used IEDs that cost them a few dollars, we used cruise missiles and smart bombs that cost millions a pop. Before 9/11, Islamic fundamentalism was small news, now it’s talked about every day worldwide and thousands are signing up to become martyrs for Allah. Now it takes hours just to get on a plane and your shampoo is confiscated, all because some Islamist just TALKED about making a bomb out of it. Once, they were ignored, now almost every security decision hinges on Islamic terrorism.

        Yes, he’s dead – but what soldier wouldn’t gladly die to advance his cause and become a legend in the eyes of his people?

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