Smoking Is Cool, Right!

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    Stalwart
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    Stalwart

    But everyone who I would hate anyway tells me smoking is bad, and all the icons I love (Bill Hicks, Dylan Moran, etc) who I would love even if I didn’t smoke, all smoke. So no it doesn’t make you cool, it makes you a target for self-righteous toss pots who feel they have a right to wag their finger at you with an air petty superiority. Remember Demolition Man…that movie is so going to come true.

    Jeros
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    I’m with Stalwart on this one 100%

    Robster
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    Fine. Just don’t ask me to cover your hospital bills, support your health insurance, etc anymore.

    Richard@Home
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    On the bright side… your lungs will survive a nuclear explosion…

    Stalwart
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    Stalwart

    I have private health insurance you prole…

    Man, some nonsmokers are like kids in the playground aren’t they, ‘nah, nah, nah, I don’t smoke, I’m gonna live forever, youooo smoke, you’re dead tomorrow…I’m telling teacher’

    And if walk five meters away from you to have my cig, you’ll get as much toxic fumes from my cig, as from the next car driving past.

    Caio
    Member

    Stalwart is my new hero. Fuck, I don’t smoke around other people, especially kids. I’m in Canada paying $6 taxes on a pack, so even if I didn’t have private health insurance, I’m still paying a fuckload more taxes than other people. My smoking hurts no one but myself and the other smokers I smoke around, and yet I’ve got to hear people bitch me out fucking constantly. Smokers are one of the few people you’re allowed to attack (with Mexicans and East Indians). Some 300lb (and I assume unhealthy) chick sat next to me on the plane all the… Read more »

    Anonymous
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    “My smoking hurts no one but myself and the other smokers I smoke around, and yet I’ve got to hear people bitch me out fucking constantly.” Hey Caio, do you know what pisses me off? Smokers who light up outside and think “I’m smoking outside, so my smoke magically disappears into the air”. I can’t count the number of times I’ll be walking behind a smoker on the sidewalk, and EVERY breath I take is full of that person’s cloud of exhale that fills the air around them. Do you know what I do? I usually hang back until they’re… Read more »

    Stalwart
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    Stalwart

    Hold on natakamus, let me get something straight: “When I go to a bar I know I’m going to breath smoke, and when I hang out with my friends on their smoke breaks, I know I’m going to breath smoke. I can deal with that.” but “o you know what I do? I usually hang back until they’re well ahead of me or cross the street.” Why is the latter scenario any different than going to a bar, in fact, the bar scenario is far worse! And I agree about those parents. Douchebags. I’m not saying it’s wrong for people… Read more »

    Stalwart
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    Stalwart

    Oh and Caio, good point about the high taxes on cigarettes!!! ‘Oh, we don’t want to fund you’re treatment in 20 years time,’ generic non-smoker comment. Don’t worry…you’re not.

    Caio
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    Natakamus, you are an ignorant cunt. I smoke in my apartment, a smoking building advertised as such. I smoke in the alley behind my work, which is deserted except on trash day. I used to smoke in the smoking café with big smoking signs that IDed minors, till it was closed down by the government. Can’t smoke in bars in this city. That’s it. I make a careful effort not to smoke on busy streets and such, for the same reason I don’t go up to strangers and yell in their ears. Its fucking rude, I agree. And I’m willing… Read more »

    Jeros
    Member

    I usualy smoke in the maternity ward at the hospital, you know, where they put all the little newborn babies? that’s the best place to unstress, listening to the cries of dozens of screaming infants.

    Think about it; most of us smoke because it’s calming, it soothes us. It does me anyways, so why would we take that to a crowded city street?

    Anonymous
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    Hey Caio, good for you for smoking where only other smokers are. I’m sorry you can’t smoke in bars, too. I’m a libertarian that believes the government should butt out (no pun intended) of everybody’s business. When I go to a bar, I expect to smell smoke. It bothers me, but what am I supposed to do about it? I love to go to bars. I’ll sit at the same table as a smoker and talk all night, even if the smoke bothers me. When I’m walking down the street, I’m usually going from point A to point B. Not… Read more »

    robster
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    Call the fucking waaaaahmbulance. I’m a smoker! I get discriminated against! I’m not hurting anybody! Good for you if you segregate yourself. But I do pay for you. I have insurance through my employer as well, and my fees are higher to help pay the costs of the smokers. My private life insurance is as well (yes. smokers pay more, but they pay less than the odds should make them) Smokers not only are more likely to be less healthy than nonsmokers, but they spend more time in the hospital than nonsmokers on average, it takes longer for their wounds… Read more »

    milk ninja
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    milk ninja

    robster:

    I love that line of thought. If people won’t take care of themselves you have to force them to. When something is outlawed it doesn’t get rid of it, it just leads to more crime. Follow that line of reasoning to it’s final end and more or less everything will become a crime.

    And remember, you aren’t forced to buy heath insurace, you choose to.

    robster
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    It is what drives public health policy. Why do you think cruise ships have life boats? They are required to. The slippery slope argument may work with some people, but it is just utter bullshit. Yes, some people will smuggle smokes, but if fewer people start smoking, demand will drop, and there won’t be profit for smugglers. Taxing doesn’t make it illegal, just more expensive. I’m all for legalizing and taxing illegal drugs. It would be stupid to keep letting the drugs win the “war.” Regulate them, discourage their use, tax them, and encourage people to quit using with effective… Read more »

    peejie
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    peejie

    If you’ve ever witnessed someone collapse becasue their lungs gave out, sure you might say “sucks to be them” but when it happens to you, good luck with that. I’m sure the comfort of having health insurance will make your lungs aaaalllll better.

    Caio
    Member

    Robster, you’re like the anti-smoking Travis Bickle.

    magnusbutfoorson
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    magnusbutfoorson

    I’m in Canada too. 75% of the money spent per person on average is spent on them in the last year of their life. 20% in the last 5 years prior to that year. If smoking kills you so much quicker you should be thanking us for saving you money. Besides obesity is WAY worse for you than smoking. And you’re gonna die no matter what. So you quit smoking and make it to 85 instead of 84. And you fall on some ice and you get to lie there and see if the cold gets you before you starve… Read more »

    Jeros
    Member

    Oh and lets not forget that the next world crisis isnt going to be a cnacer epedemic, or global warming, or sars or avian flu or any other such stupid bullshit. The next world chrisis is overpopulation. Free health insurance? counterproductive. Anti smoking legislation? counter productive. Pro Lifers? ought to be shot on site. I just want to enjoy my life while I have it as is my due. Once my number is up I will go quietly.

    Jeros
    Member

    and before someone rips me apart for it I dont actualy think all pro lifers should be shot on sight, I belive the term is “hyperbole”

    Stalwart
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    Stalwart

    Well, robster, looks like you really followed my idea about having some perspective, and not just going off half-cocked on some self-righteous rant…but tell me, what do you get out of all your belly-aching?

    Stalwart
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    Stalwart

    My employer has been smoking for 40 years and has just recently quit. Personally, I don’t trust normal statisical facts. Simply because they don’t integrate other lifestyle aspects into the raw numbers. How many french fries did those people in the lung cancer ward also indulge in? What was their cholesterol? I’m sorry, for you robster, everything must be simple, since the verbosity of your posts seem to indicate a knowledge of absolute truths, but I happen to know what I’m doing, what a crazy concept, knowing what I’m doing and not wanting someone else to tell me I don’t…almost… Read more »

    Robster
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    Magnus, have a problem with teh gay? How grade school. Who said anything about curing death? Yes, obesity is bad, but this is about smoking. Stalwart, I get a klondike bar. And here, with the anonymity of the interbutt, I can be as much of an ass as I like, and I don’t get to do that with patients or students at work. I’m gald for your employer. Good luck to you as well. Just think how much more money you’ll have if you just cut your smoking in half. And those darn statistics. Who are those researchers to gether… Read more »

    Jeros
    Member

    I signed no contract, and if that means I’m out of society, fine, take me away. Just make sure my padded cell is in the smoking section please. Statistics can be scewed to prove anything. Also, correlation does not equal causation. While it interesting that people who smoke often develop lung cancer, there is no direct proof that smoking causes lung cancer. I’m not burying my head in the sand, I’m not denying that it is likely the case, but my ex mother in law has chain smoked for probably 45 years, no lung cancer and she has a resting… Read more »

    magnusbutfoorson
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    magnusbutfoorson

    Dr Robster. Dr Robster to the elitist prick ward for an emergency ego transfusion. Dr Robster. I like how you pepper your diatribe with little wee wee humour to try and make it seem like anything other than the posturing of a half wit backed into a corner. Here’s one for the old noodle you clod, the people bitching about smoking are more often than not guilty of other vices like obesity. Maybe that’s why it was brought up? Because it’s a much worse problem but you can’t go around pointing fingers because of the social stigma. Poor fatty can’t… Read more »

    Robster
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    While it interesting that people who smoke often develop lung cancer, there is no direct proof that smoking causes lung cancer.

    A complete and utter lie. Even the tobacco companies don’t clam that anymore. Search Pubmed.

    Smoking is a risk factor for lung cancer. Not all smokers get lung cancer, but all the lungs of smokers look like those in the image. Not all nonsmokers avoid lung cancer. But they are more likely to,

    And if you need a smoke to calm your nerves, it is a crutch.

    Saying, “but you are fat,” is a cop out. Show some responsability.

    Have a great day.

    magnusbutfoorson
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    magnusbutfoorson

    I didn’t say you were fat. I am now though lardass. btw: it’s not a complete and utter lie you jackass. By definition it’s not a fact because while A + B maybe often = C they can’t prove cause and effect. They can’t say this cancer was caused by this chemical from these cigarettes. Get it? Search my taint you blowhard. Smoking to calm your nerves isn’t a crutch. I think you need to read more fella. A crutch is something you need to get by. There are people who can be casual users (see casual alcohol consumption) without… Read more »

    Stalwart
    Guest
    Stalwart

    Who loves the French?? In France it’s illegal not to smoke.

    Caio
    Member

    Haha, I love continental Europe. In Portugal they even let you smoke in museums, city hall, pretty much everywhere. I didn’t see a single place where there weren’t tons of people smoking. I had a smoke on the king’s fucking balcony.

    Stalwart
    Guest
    Stalwart

    robster: ‘And those darn statistics. Who are those researchers to gether data and use math, anyway?’ People who are seeking to model reality using quantified structures that can be used to deduce causes and predict outcomes within acceptable limits of error and probability. Are you one of them? Because I wasn’t disputing that I’m putting myself at risk. Merely pointing out that my lifestyle is actually quite healthy apart from my smoking. My levels of exercise are good. I work a job that requires lots of walking around. I eat very healthy food and am not overweight. So, having an… Read more »

    Jeros
    Member

    Stalwart is my Hero.

    Stalwart
    Guest
    Stalwart

    Oh, look at me blush 🙂 But I must give due credit to that last little comment ‘there’ll be secondary bullets coming your way’…that ditty is courtesy of late American comedian Bill Hicks…my hero 😀

    Garibaldi
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    Garibaldi

    Hmmm….smokers lungs on the left, non-smokers on the right. What’s wrong with this picture? They’re *both* dead! \o/

    Coyote
    Member

    Wow those are gross lungs… but I tell you now, who has the bigger heart eh?

    nyoki
    Member

    I hate this argument.



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