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    Carolyn Bahm
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    Carolyn Bahm

    Love this cartoon!

    Jason
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    Falsehood that ID = Creationism: check.
    Falsehood that Christians believed in a flat earth = check.
    Falsehood that Christians teach their kids that the stork brings babies: check.
    Falsehood that the Salem witch trials were a major event and representative of the whole of Christendom: check.
    Falsehood that leeches are not used in medicine today: check.

    Otherwise, a great cartoon.

    Boosterz
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    Boosterz

    1. ID is creationism. It got rebranded after the creationists lost the Edwards case. If you don’t like that fact, tough. 2. Some christians DO still believe the earth is flat. Some of them believe that the earth is the center of the universe. Others think the earth is only 6,000 years old. I personally wouldn’t take scientific advice from any of them much less allow them to write science standards for a school system. 3. Fundamentalists teach their kids only one thing, abstinence. They try and drum it into their heads over and over and over again. Of course… Read more »

    Jason
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    1. ID is creationism. ID and creationism are very distinctly different. If YOU don’t like that fact, well… I’m sure you’ll just continue to lie about it. 2. Some christians DO still believe the earth is flat. Some of them believe that the earth is the center of the universe. Who? Names? I’m sure there are some Christians who believe a lot of crazy things, but there are atheists who believe crazy things, too. “Some” does not mean “all.” Others think the earth is only 6,000 years old. And there are some atheists and evolutionists who think space aliens seeded… Read more »

    Maiko Herajin
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    Maiko Herajin

    >Falsehood that ID = Creationism: check.
    Falsehood that Christians believed in a flat earth = check.

    >Falsehood that leeches are not used in medicine today: check.

    The analogy that the comic presents is that the ideas given are – like intelligent design – devoid of scientific intellect or basis in reality. I’ll give you the last panel, though, since leeches are used to treat certain wounds and blood diseases.

    Regardless, Chrisitanity is not mentioned nor implied once in the strip, so don’t go getting your reactionary panties in a bind.

    Moddy Cassem
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    Moddy Cassem

    Boom. Headshot.

    Jonathan Lubin
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    Jonathan Lubin

    In Salem, nobody was burned. Thus, the cartoon has nothing to do with Salem. It does have to do with the burning of witches throughout Europe, however. Many of them.

    Satan
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    Satan

    Jason is so sadly fooled if he believes ID is not Creationism. Even the Intelligent Design people think so. After all, they were the same Creationists who just needed a new word after they lost Edwards v. Aguillard.

    My vote is Jason is just a silly little troll.

    Holden McCrank
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    Holden McCrank

    Of course ID and creationism aren’t the same. See, creationism says that a big invisible white guy who lives up in the sky created the earth about six thousand years ago. Contrast this with ID that says that at some unspecified time in the past, some supernatural entity (not necessarily Jeebus or Allah) created the earth.

    ID is clearly the superior hypothesis; it doesn’t get all bogged down in detail.

    Boosterz
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    Boosterz

    ID and creationism are very distinctly different. If YOU don’t like that fact, well… I’m sure you’ll just continue to lie about it. ID is creationism in a cheap suit. Your inability to admit that shows a deficiency in either your honesty or your intellect. There is no need to lie about it, the data is quite clear. The same groups of people(DI, ICR, etc) who were pushing creationism before the Edwards case are the same ones pushing ID now. The creationist “text book” Of Pandas and People was altered after the Edwards case to replace all instances of the… Read more »

    Noone
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    Noone

    Jason was the resident troll over at Pharyngula, he has recently been devoweled.

    Boosterz
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    Boosterz

    I thought he looked familar. I think he might have popped up a time or two over at Red State Rabble as well.

    Robert Bellarmine
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    Robert Bellarmine

    Galileo is somewhat unjustly famous, but certainly not the best example that could be used here. He was quite justifiably scared of the church because another notable heliocentrist, Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake for heresy in a market square in Rome on Feb. 17, 1600.

    Glynnis
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    Glynnis

    Actually, leeches ARE used (and maggots) in some modern medicines; they debride infected wounds, and clean out dead and scar tissue after surgery.

    Disco
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    What a bunch of dorks.
    God Bless the Devil!

    RunningMan
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    RunningMan

    Wow, I love how each party thoughtfully consider the others arguments, especially on the internet!! 😀

    James
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    James

    Galileo was excommunicated from the church, was almost killed, he had to beg for his life, and put under house arrest for years on end. I Pretty sure Newton was excommunicated too. Einsten The Witch hunt was a cross between the red hunt and the holocaust, and the Spanish Inquisition. Ever notice how few Wiccans there are, they were once competing with Christian for the spot as the next big religion, so Christians tried to convert a bunch of them (its where we get halloween (though the date is taken from the dia de metes) the easter bunny and eggs… Read more »

    Skaluv
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    Skaluv

    “The Witch hunt was a cross between the red hunt and the holocaust, and the Spanish Inquisition. Ever notice how few Wiccans there are, they were once competing with Christian for the spot as the next big religion, so Christians tried to convert a bunch of them (its where we get halloween (though the date is taken from the dia de metes) the easter bunny and eggs on easter, and a bunch of the of the holiday icons. ” Ummm… I think your thinking of pagans and it was the last big religion and I mean BIG. All of the… Read more »

    Your Mom
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    First a stereotypical message from our sponsor:
    Get a life you homo bastards, you are a bunch of ignorant chicken shits in need of a good beating!
    We now return you to our scheduled (oh my god did I spell that wrong?) program….My life as a cowering godless fag!

    Kero
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    Kero

    How are the “godless” ones the cowards? We look for logical answers to lifes problems, rather than anytime anything good/bad/unexplainable happens just say “God did it”. We act our lives how we want, not how we think some “higher power” wants us to act. If anything the poeple who beleive in god are the cowards because they act “morale” so that “god” doesn’t punish them by sending them to hell. Yeah we are the cowards

    injate
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    injate

    You want some kickass logic ? try this on for size, it can be applied to anything EVER and your arguments against it are flawed because I disagree.

    Good = god’s doing
    Bad = devil’s doing

    I’m a christian 😉 lol

    Still_lookin_for_the_fax
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    Still_lookin_for_the_fax

    Fundamentalism of any kind is dangerous. Whether they be christians, moslems or scientists, anyone who is convinced they have a handle on absolute truth, and the desire to foist it on others, is just a pain. Science cannot answer how the first living cell managed to hold together in the primordial soup; it is just a pure leap of faith to blindly accept that it did so, even though all experiments suggest such a complex construction would degrade long before it assembled itself. Religionists and scientists alike base many beliefs on faith. Time alone proves who is closer to the… Read more »

    Moddy Cassem
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    Moddy Cassem

    “Science cannot answer how the first living cell managed to hold together in the primordial soup; it is just a pure leap of faith to blindly accept that it did so…”

    Look at how stupid you are.

    milk ninja
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    milk ninja

    You want some kickass logic ? try this on for size, it can be applied to anything EVER and your arguments against it are flawed because I disagree. Good = god’s doing Bad = devil’s doing I’m a christian lol OK, i love throwing this one out. SO God created Lucifer, and as an angel he was created to carry out God’s will. Now, sense Lucifer defied god’s will that would mean that either God did not create Lucifer perfectly (sense he was created only to serve God and he did not) or that God allowed/intended for Lucifer to defy… Read more »

    Still_lookin_for_the_fax
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    Still_lookin_for_the_fax

    “And as For “Time alone proves who is closer to the truth.” Take a good look at the track record so far, science holds one hell of a lead.” Science has made some excellent strides, but don’t forget it also gave us Thalidomide, CFCs, Three Mile Island etc, and who knows where genetic engineering might take us. I wasn’t defending ID or Creationism, simply pointing out that scientists, despite their self-belief, often make mistakes. (In fact that is part of the process of proving what is right and what is wrong). Throughout the millenia our Earth and Universe have conducted… Read more »

    Moddy Cassem
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    Moddy Cassem

    Wow… all trees, no forest.

    Look at how stupid you are.

    William Brookfield
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    I am an “Intelligent Design” scientist. I have never belonged to a religion — let alone a fundamentalist one — in my entire life. I have always been against fundamentalism of any kind. I am subsequently against both religious fundamentalism and Darwinian fundamentalism. Anyone who questions Darwin-ism at this time is immediately labeled a “flat earther” etc. This is fundamentalist intolerance in action.

    Moddy Cassem
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    Moddy Cassem

    I am an “Intelligent Design” scientist fundamentalist

    Namelis1
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    You sir are just probably another Jebus lover in disguise. How dare you call yourself a scientist. (yes its a religion bashing weekend for me)

    Soylent.Hero
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    Soylent.Hero

    Uhm… Christians don’t teach complete abstinance… they teach you to wait until you’re married, and that sex is a beautiful thing (between married people). Which seems pretty smart to me, what with all the knocked up slores I know. Bless their hearts. And also: Whether they are christians or not is irrelevant. The important thing is whether they can separate their religious beliefs from their objective study of science. The creationists positively can NOT do that. A bit of a deedeedee are we? The fact that they WERE Christians pretty much implies that they were in fact Creationists. Remember that… Read more »

    Same as it ever was
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    Same as it ever was

    There is a general definition of good & evil.
    Good is something that benefits group and the Evil is somthing that threatens the group.

    Stalwart
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    Stalwart

    I think the spirit of the cartoon is that intelligent design and creationism are on par with one another, whether or not they are the same thing – that’s not important. The point is, either one of them are about as sound scietnifically as a flat earth or stalks bringing babies.

    Teach intelligent design in RE, not science. As Richard Dawkins would remind us, incredulity (at the unintentional nature of the complexity) is not evidence.

    colin
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    colin

    i think the earth was created when god sprinkled sunshine dust on the moon to make it warmer there and the sunshine dust reacted with the cheese on the moone and baked most of it and made it break off and thus the earth was created, the earth turned circular because it lost so much weight using the garvatkins diet and the moon thought the earth was sexy so the moon always hangs around the earth, that is how i think the earth was created
    -Colin Blake Compton
    13, Pittsburgh, Pennysylvania
    7th Grd. Edu. Ad.D
    (Attention Defasate Douchebag)

    SpeeduvDark
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    SpeeduvDark

    Holy shit, Colin’s in the 7th grade? I’d never have guessed!

    colin
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    colin

    it true, its true i confess, im only 13 years of ages n stuffs

    IsoHrs
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    IsoHrs

    actually they never really burned the witches.

    RJDeepOne
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    @Jason

    I wonder, how stupid a conservative can be? You just set a new record in stupidity. Please name at least ten differences between ID and creationism (aka cretinotianism)?

    Oh, sweetie-pie, concerning abstinence, THERE SHOULD NOT BE IN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM, LIBERALS ARE RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE IT DOESN’T HELP AND ONLY WASTES MONEY AND EFFORT. THIS IS A FACT: www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?hint=2&DR_ID=44263

    (Pardon for writing in caps, but i did it in order to help our alternatively gifted Jason process all the data)

    @IsoHrs

    In fact, they did. Go read a book. Or listen to an audiobook if your reading skills are poor.

    Ando
    Member

    Religions don’t kill people.
    People kill people.

    oh, and tsunamis. they kill people too.

    RJDeepOne
    Member

    Damn tsunamis!

    Foinlavin
    Member

    Science brought us the brontosaurus. That’s all,

    IronGaijin
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    I look at it this way.

    It takes just as much faith to believe in the statistical chance that the human brain could have evolved from a single celled organism. To say that Creationism is stupid because of the belief system is hypocritical in my opinion.

    Believe what you want but don’t tell other people they’re foolish for their beliefs.

    Moddy Cassem
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    Moddy Cassem

    “It takes just as much faith to believe in the statistical chance that the human brain could have evolved from a single celled organism.”

    If you actually beleve this then “foolish” is the least offensive name for what you are.

    john w
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    john w

    @IronGaijin. The faith you refer to in statistical chance doesn’t really exist. What most scientists who hold to the darwinian view of evolution believe is that darwin’s theory of evolution is the current best method of describing the events of the past with the current available data. Hence the word theory. If new data show’s darwin’s theory to be wrong, then it will be investigated and a new theory formed. Pretty much all of science is saying, here’s what we know and here is a theory that best explains what we know and can observe. This also applies to most… Read more »

    CaptainBobo
    Member

    where are the boobs?

    wookie_x
    Member

    @ James: Ever notice how few Wiccans there are, they were once competing with Christian for the spot as the next big religion, so Christians tried to convert a bunch of them (its where we get halloween (though the date is taken from the dia de metes) the easter bunny and eggs on easter, and a bunch of the of the holiday icons. I hate to burst any bubbles (no I’m not creationist NOR am I Christian), but Wicca is less than 100 years old. It was invented by Gerald Gardner. He was taking advantage of a popular social trend.… Read more »

    Caio
    Member

    I find wiccan beliefs compelling because they remove literally everything that could be considered non-white from religion and mythology.

    TheRogue47
    Member

    It’s a bunch of descendants of transplanted Scots and Irish who want to revel in their long lost heritage, really. But you know, before the Catholic part.

    Which I’m actually more in favor of.

    nnmnu
    Member

    lol fags



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